Ron Wyatt Finds The Blood Of Christ,Won't Produce It
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28-09-2013, 09:06 AM
RE: Ron Wyatt Finds The Blood Of Christ,Won't Produce It
Quick question. Can you actually conduct tests on blood that old? I thought it became impossible after a few days.

When you are courting a nice girl an hour seems like a second. When you sit on a red-hot cinder a second seems like an hour. That's relativity.

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28-09-2013, 09:57 AM
RE: Ron Wyatt Finds The Blood Of Christ,Won't Produce It
(28-09-2013 09:06 AM)Xinoftruden Wrote:  Quick question. Can you actually conduct tests on blood that old? I thought it became impossible after a few days.

Yes and no.
Depends what tests you're trying to do, and how you try to go about it, and what the state of the blood is in you're trying to analyze.
http://www.sciencenews.org/pages/pdfs/da...724-11.pdf
http://www.express.co.uk/news/science-te...oric-beast

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28-09-2013, 10:05 AM
RE: Ron Wyatt Finds The Blood Of Christ,Won't Produce It
(28-09-2013 09:57 AM)Bucky Ball Wrote:  
(28-09-2013 09:06 AM)Xinoftruden Wrote:  Quick question. Can you actually conduct tests on blood that old? I thought it became impossible after a few days.

Yes and no.
Depends what tests you're trying to do, and how you try to go about it, and what the state of the blood is in you're trying to analyze.
http://www.sciencenews.org/pages/pdfs/da...724-11.pdf
http://www.express.co.uk/news/science-te...oric-beast

Ty bucky. What I got from it (among other things) is that it would be impossible to test for chromosomes on the blood they found because they cant isolate dna. And if that blood only had 24 chromosomes than that immulogical (something like that) would have failed.

When you are courting a nice girl an hour seems like a second. When you sit on a red-hot cinder a second seems like an hour. That's relativity.

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28-09-2013, 11:01 AM (This post was last modified: 28-09-2013 04:32 PM by Slowminded.)
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(27-09-2013 06:52 PM)excubitor Wrote:  So by the process of logic I have concluded ....

Oh...the irony...too strong... for me...to handle

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28-09-2013, 01:58 PM
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(28-09-2013 11:01 AM)Slowminded Wrote:  
(27-09-2013 06:52 PM)excubitor Wrote:  So by the process of logic I have concluded ....

Oh...the irony...to strong... for me...to handle


I don't know if anyone has posted this. It's a Scienceblogs web site about the blood Ron Wyatt found and the lack of any independent scientific proof. What is really funny is the reference to some petrified wood found that is supposed to be part of Noah's Ark. Em, er....... but... but it has no tree rings in it! No problem! According to his crack team of great minds trees didn't have rings in them before the great flood!

http://scienceblogs.com/dispatches/2006/...sal-fraud/

Fun and entertaining stuff.

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28-09-2013, 04:29 PM
RE: Ron Wyatt Finds The Blood Of Christ,Won't Produce It
(27-09-2013 10:36 PM)dancefortwo Wrote:  
(27-09-2013 09:03 PM)excubitor Wrote:  So there is no evidence of the parting of the Red sea, therefore the chariot wheel presented as evidence for the parting of the Red sea is a moot point. Is that your line of reasoning? What do you make of the objects photographed? do you agree that they are just ship junk? What kind of ship junk?

I wonder what kind of evidence you would accept to confirm the biblical account. I can tell you that every piece of evidence which might be used to support the biblical account would be ignored and explained away by you because you are determined to ignore the biblical account.

Actually, the photo that I posted, the one that looks more like a glob of engine parts is a train that ended up in the Red Sea. How it got there... well...who knows. Maybe Moses tossed it out there, back several thousand years ago.

Here's another photo. It's the Wreck of the Ulysses which sank back in 1887 in the Red Sea. You'll have to follow the link to see it.

http://www.scubatravel.co.uk/ul_Wheel_28_05.html

I'm telling you, the Red Sea full of scattered ships, cars, trains, tractors and part of tractors, wooden steering wheels from boats, pots. old fishing rods and kitchen sinks.

Anyone for a slightly used bathtub??

http://www.scubatravel.co.uk/ul_Bath_28_05.html

As for gold leaf on the wheel. Have you ever used gold leaf? I have. It is gold that has been pounded to less than a hairs width. It comes in small sheets about the size of a cigarette pack and each sheet is so thin that if you sneeze it flies all over the place. It's thinner than one ply tissue and used only for decorative purposes. It's applied with a fine brush and slightly rubbed onto the object to make it adhere. Actually one could think of it more like paint and it chips off like paint over time. The Egyptians gold leafed the outside of the wheels of their chariots for the Pharaohs. They wouldn't survive in water for very long.
Gold can be hammered over a wooden or metal base to any thickness. It's ridiculous to imagine that in ancient Egypt gold leaf came in small sheets about the size of a cigarette packet. Do you really imagine that gold leaf as thin as that would have been on chariot wheels in the heat of battle? How ridiculous. The gold would have had to stand up to some battering. So clearly for Ron's story to be true the gold of the wheels must be thick enough to maintain its structure in the event the underlying wood has perished if left undisturbed, but not thick enough to maintain its structure when attempting to pick it up.

Your links to various kinds of underwater ship junk is meaningless. Nobody is arguing that any kind of object might find its way to the depths of the sea. The question is whether or not the object that Ron Wyatt photographed was a gold plated chariot wheel. So far the gold plated chariot wheel is the most plausible explanation for what we are looking at in the photo is. What do you think it is? A bath, a pot, a train? Give me a break.
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28-09-2013, 04:34 PM
RE: Ron Wyatt Finds The Blood Of Christ,Won't Produce It
(27-09-2013 10:41 PM)Minimalist Wrote:  
Quote:Ron Wyatt was also a successful nurse anesthetist who would have had a degree in science and nursing to pursue that career. It is therefore highly unlikely that he was a brain dead idiot.

Strenuous belief in bible bullshit has been known to kill brain cells in large numbers. This did not happen in Wyatt's case, however. He was a con artist who kept getting gullible fools to fund his expeditions.

How much did he get out of you?
Nothing. I might have paid a very token donation to hear him speak.
My understanding is that the vast majority of his expeditions especially in the early days were funded out of his own pocket from his well paid nurse anesthetist career.
I would contributions would have grown towards the end of his career for him to devote himself to his bible discovery ministry.

If indeed brain cells are killed off by strenuous belief in the bible then how did Ron Wyatt maintain his anesthetist career throughout his working life? Also I know a large number of Bible believers myself included who are not brain dead idiots with killed off brain cells and have maintained successful careers.
I have no doubt that everybody realises that again you are resorting to a baseless slur which is quite frankly really childish. Grow up.
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28-09-2013, 04:39 PM
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(28-09-2013 08:55 AM)dancefortwo Wrote:  
(27-09-2013 09:03 PM)excubitor Wrote:  So there is no evidence of the parting of the Red sea, therefore the chariot wheel presented as evidence for the parting of the Red sea is a moot point. Is that your line of reasoning? What do you make of the objects photographed? do you agree that they are just ship junk? What kind of ship junk?

I wonder what kind of evidence you would accept to confirm the biblical account. I can tell you that every piece of evidence which might be used to support the biblical account would be ignored and explained away by you because you are determined to ignore the biblical account.

After 3000 years any kind of wood will disintegrate to nothing. Heck, the Grand Staircase of the Titanic which was made of polished oak, some of it rather thick, has disintegrated and it's only been 100 years. A delicate chariot wheel, and they were very lightweight, wouldn't last 60 years. Honey*, think. Just think about it.

*I've decided that since I'm one of a few gals on this forum I get to call everyone "honey" and "dear".
You are the one struggling to think dear. Everybody agrees that the wood perished.

You are showing fragility of the thinking process and failing to comprehend that the wheel can maintain its structure if the gold veneer is thick enough and provided it is not disturbed by someone attempting to pick it up.
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28-09-2013, 04:49 PM
RE: Ron Wyatt Finds The Blood Of Christ,Won't Produce It
(28-09-2013 04:29 PM)excubitor Wrote:  
(27-09-2013 10:36 PM)dancefortwo Wrote:  Actually, the photo that I posted, the one that looks more like a glob of engine parts is a train that ended up in the Red Sea. How it got there... well...who knows. Maybe Moses tossed it out there, back several thousand years ago.

Here's another photo. It's the Wreck of the Ulysses which sank back in 1887 in the Red Sea. You'll have to follow the link to see it.

http://www.scubatravel.co.uk/ul_Wheel_28_05.html

I'm telling you, the Red Sea full of scattered ships, cars, trains, tractors and part of tractors, wooden steering wheels from boats, pots. old fishing rods and kitchen sinks.

Anyone for a slightly used bathtub??

http://www.scubatravel.co.uk/ul_Bath_28_05.html

As for gold leaf on the wheel. Have you ever used gold leaf? I have. It is gold that has been pounded to less than a hairs width. It comes in small sheets about the size of a cigarette pack and each sheet is so thin that if you sneeze it flies all over the place. It's thinner than one ply tissue and used only for decorative purposes. It's applied with a fine brush and slightly rubbed onto the object to make it adhere. Actually one could think of it more like paint and it chips off like paint over time. The Egyptians gold leafed the outside of the wheels of their chariots for the Pharaohs. They wouldn't survive in water for very long.
Gold can be hammered over a wooden or metal base to any thickness. It's ridiculous to imagine that in ancient Egypt gold leaf came in small sheets about the size of a cigarette packet. Do you really imagine that gold leaf as thin as that would have been on chariot wheels in the heat of battle? How ridiculous. The gold would have had to stand up to some battering. So clearly for Ron's story to be true the gold of the wheels must be thick enough to maintain its structure in the event the underlying wood has perished if left undisturbed, but not thick enough to maintain its structure when attempting to pick it up.

Your links to various kinds of underwater ship junk is meaningless. Nobody is arguing that any kind of object might find its way to the depths of the sea. The question is whether or not the object that Ron Wyatt photographed was a gold plated chariot wheel. So far the gold plated chariot wheel is the most plausible explanation for what we are looking at in the photo is. What do you think it is? A bath, a pot, a train? Give me a break.

I'm pretty sure you're just a Poe cause no one can be that stupid. It a valve wheel for starters and if what you are saying was true (it's not) then it wouldn't have crumbled because Gold is non-reactive. Gold can sit in saltwater forever and never oxidise. Now wooden wheels however would last maybe 30 years in salt water so it can't be 2300 Years old and be wood.

This is not even an Atheist thing most christians have declared all of this obvious fraudsters work fraud. He was nothing but a scam artist trying to get peoples money.

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28-09-2013, 04:52 PM
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http://debunkingchristianity.blogspot.co...cy-dr.html

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