Root Causes: San Bernardino, California shooting
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08-12-2015, 09:53 AM
RE: Root Causes: San Bernardino, California shooting
(08-12-2015 09:38 AM)Machias Wrote:  
(08-12-2015 09:21 AM)cjlr Wrote:  Inevitably. The number of guns keeps increasing, but the number of actual gun owners in the United States has been trending down for decades.

Do you have some statistics for that? I see new gun owners a lot.

Anecdotes versus data, and all - see here, from the University of Chicago's NORC for an example of the broader statistics.

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08-12-2015, 09:58 AM
RE: Root Causes: San Bernardino, California shooting
(08-12-2015 09:53 AM)cjlr Wrote:  
(08-12-2015 09:38 AM)Machias Wrote:  Do you have some statistics for that? I see new gun owners a lot.

Anecdotes versus data, and all - see here, from the University of Chicago's NORC for an example of the broader statistics.

That report shows that percentage of the population with guns has declined, not the numbers.

And there has been a sharp rise in the Hispanic population who show a significantly lower rate of gun ownership.

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08-12-2015, 10:02 AM
RE: Root Causes: San Bernardino, California shooting
(08-12-2015 09:53 AM)cjlr Wrote:  
(08-12-2015 09:38 AM)Machias Wrote:  Do you have some statistics for that? I see new gun owners a lot.

Anecdotes versus data, and all - see here, from the University of Chicago's NORC for an example of the broader statistics.

Gallup has conducted a gun ownership poll since the 60's. It's fluctuated over time but there's only an 8% difference since the first poll and the most recent. Both sets of numbers from then and now are in the 40-49% range.

http://www.gallup.com/poll/1645/guns.aspx

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08-12-2015, 10:12 AM
RE: Root Causes: San Bernardino, California shooting
(08-12-2015 09:13 AM)Full Circle Wrote:  
(08-12-2015 09:00 AM)TheBear Wrote:  Wait.

Someone owns 1,200 guns?

He’s small potatoes, another guy had 5000.

That's what I call an arsenal!

How many guns did the San Bernadino shooters amass? Last I checked, it was 4 - two rifles and two handguns, used by two people. Did they find more guns at the house? How many guns are considered an 'arsenal'?
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08-12-2015, 10:14 AM
RE: Root Causes: San Bernardino, California shooting
(08-12-2015 09:58 AM)Chas Wrote:  
(08-12-2015 09:53 AM)cjlr Wrote:  Anecdotes versus data, and all - see here, from the University of Chicago's NORC for an example of the broader statistics.

That report shows that percentage of the population with guns has declined, not the numbers.

Um, yes.

(08-12-2015 09:58 AM)Chas Wrote:  And there has been a sharp rise in the Hispanic population who show a significantly lower rate of gun ownership.

Given the data, there are inevitably reasons for it.

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08-12-2015, 10:18 AM
RE: Root Causes: San Bernardino, California shooting
(08-12-2015 10:02 AM)Lord Dark Helmet Wrote:  
(08-12-2015 09:53 AM)cjlr Wrote:  Anecdotes versus data, and all - see here, from the University of Chicago's NORC for an example of the broader statistics.

Gallup has conducted a gun ownership poll since the 60's. It's fluctuated over time but there's only an 8% difference since the first poll and the most recent. Both sets of numbers from then and now are in the 40-49% range.

http://www.gallup.com/poll/1645/guns.aspx

So... are you trying to say that a 20% relative difference is meaningless? Because, that'd be stupid, but I just want to be sure.

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08-12-2015, 10:20 AM
RE: Root Causes: San Bernardino, California shooting
(08-12-2015 09:21 AM)cjlr Wrote:  Inevitably. The number of guns keeps increasing, but the number of actual gun owners in the United States has been trending down for decades.

So, obviously, if we carry out the zeroth-order model to its conclusion, at some point in the future there will be one gun owner in the whole country, who owns billions of guns.

I hope I never cut that guy off in traffic.

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08-12-2015, 10:21 AM
RE: Root Causes: San Bernardino, California shooting
(08-12-2015 10:02 AM)Lord Dark Helmet Wrote:  
(08-12-2015 09:53 AM)cjlr Wrote:  Anecdotes versus data, and all - see here, from the University of Chicago's NORC for an example of the broader statistics.

Gallup has conducted a gun ownership poll since the 60's. It's fluctuated over time but there's only an 8% difference since the first poll and the most recent. Both sets of numbers from then and now are in the 40-49% range.

http://www.gallup.com/poll/1645/guns.aspx

That seems to be more in line with my "anecdotes".
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08-12-2015, 10:22 AM
RE: Root Causes: San Bernardino, California shooting
(08-12-2015 10:18 AM)cjlr Wrote:  
(08-12-2015 10:02 AM)Lord Dark Helmet Wrote:  Gallup has conducted a gun ownership poll since the 60's. It's fluctuated over time but there's only an 8% difference since the first poll and the most recent. Both sets of numbers from then and now are in the 40-49% range.

http://www.gallup.com/poll/1645/guns.aspx

So... are you trying to say that a 20% relative difference is meaningless? Because, that'd be stupid, but I just want to be sure.

Where is this 20% difference? From a biased anti gun University of Chicago "study?" Gallup has found an 8% drop in households with guns since 1969.

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08-12-2015, 10:24 AM
RE: Root Causes: San Bernardino, California shooting
(08-12-2015 10:12 AM)TheBear Wrote:  
(08-12-2015 09:13 AM)Full Circle Wrote:  He’s small potatoes, another guy had 5000.

That's what I call an arsenal!

How many guns did the San Bernadino shooters amass? Last I checked, it was 4 - two rifles and two handguns, used by two people. Did they find more guns at the house? How many guns are considered an 'arsenal'?

Any amount can be an arsenal. It would not be linguistically incorrect to say "I have zero guns in my arsenal." It merely defines your collection of arms, not a specific quantity.

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