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18-05-2013, 06:02 PM
RE: Running Out of Steam
(18-05-2013 02:37 AM)Egor Wrote:  When I was last here, I talked about the argument I had for God that blew up in my face and not only didn't prove God existed, but broke apart the classical arguments for God's existence as well.

That doesn't mean God doesn't exist--it just means there are no arguments that hold water.

So, I switched back to the new age, fired up the dream interpretation service and the astrological consultations, and I'm a much happier person. I see God everywhere now, and that's good.

What I didn't expect was that the same epic fail would also affect atheism. If we cannot know God exists because of the limitations of our reason (see Kant), then we can't rationally choose atheism either.

I think everyone has a life path they have to walk, including atheists. So, I'm beginning to get a little perturbed at the religiosity of atheists. I really don't like their bigotted approach to people who believe differently than they do.

For one, it's a contradiction: If atheism is true--then it doesn't matter what we believe. So to argue for atheism is absurd.

I know atheists have their own life path to walk, but I find their materialism a dodge. Any time they are presented with anomolous evidence to materialism, they stick their heads in the sand and act as if it doesn't exist. Ask an atheist does precognition exist, and they will say "no." But it does.

Ask them if consciousness exists in protozoa. They will say, no. But it does.

Ask if they believe in reincarnation. They will say, no. But there's overwhelming evidence from child studies.

Ask if they think dreams matter and they will say, no. One person in here even claims he doesn't dream, but just loses time when he sleeps--which is nonsense.

Atheists are bigots, plain and simple. They deny so much of the world around them that they are no different than the YEC. Same as any fundamentalist. They will not accept other people who believe differently, and they hypocritically accuse people of hate when all they do is hate, insult, and try to be as vulgar as they can be.

So, I have been reluctant to leave this forum. But I'm thinking it's time to head to the spiritual forums. I don't know.

Yes. please go; your ignorant puffery is tedious.

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18-05-2013, 06:08 PM
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(18-05-2013 03:49 PM)bemore Wrote:  To say what you say about atheist's is like me saying ... that all Americans are stupid, fat, lazy gun owners who all drive massive Sports Utility Vehicles.

Wow Bemore, you've been to Kansas? Smile

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18-05-2013, 06:09 PM
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(18-05-2013 04:30 PM)Dom Wrote:  Egor with the insults again. I knew the nice smile couldn't last.

One has to wonder how you became such a bitter person.

You have to watch for the forked tongue behind the teeth in that smile Dom.

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18-05-2013, 06:50 PM
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Ha cute. I went to Egs' veridican page and got this happy face that turns into [Image: pisces.gif] a zodiac symbol.

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18-05-2013, 07:27 PM
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(18-05-2013 01:46 PM)Egor Wrote:  I agree...yep...I believe God exists, but that's about all I can say about God. In fact, if God is monistic as I believe He is, then there is a kind of Divine atheism. That is, we go on to our LSPs, we progress, we find union with the Divine, then come to realize there is no Divine--just us. God can't have a God.

Now the difference between you and I Egor, is simply that I believe the bolded part of your statement describes atheism very accurately. But you think to "progress" requires dying or something else radical, whereas the way I see it is that to progress, I need only accept reality and truth. I DO realize that there is no divine. And I DO understand that the idea of god needing a god is exactly why good logic cannot lead to god.


Sorry. Just smoked a fat joint, so I really hope that all made sense. For the record, I stopped reading the thread at the post quoted.

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18-05-2013, 07:28 PM (This post was last modified: 18-05-2013 07:42 PM by bemore.)
RE: Running Out of Steam
(18-05-2013 04:29 PM)Egor Wrote:  
(18-05-2013 03:49 PM)bemore Wrote:  To say what you say about atheist's is like me saying that all women are sluts or that all Americans are stupid, fat, lazy gun owners who all drive massive Sports Utility Vehicles.

I'm surprised you come up with those words. Those aren't my words. You own those words.

I don't believe in those words Ed, I only use them as an analogy to compare your views on "atheists"....... but I think you know this anyway.

Here is another analogy that I would like you to ponder and answer please Ed.

Your belief is that we incarnate through different lifetimes with a path of getting closer to "source/divine/spirit/god" This to me means that this "divine spirit" runs through everything that has some sort of "consciousness"

If I compare the "divine spirit/source/god" that you believe in to electricity for example. If you look around your house you have many different electrical items. You are reading this on maybe a computer or laptop, you have lights in your house, your fridge and we use electricity everywhere.

So in some regards according to your very own beliefs we are all at this moment using these temporary bodies/flesh vehicles as appliances.... as the "divine spirit/source/god" runs through every single one of us, just like the electricity runs through everything in your home. So if you believe in this there is no separation... we are all but on our own unique journeys and you hating/ disliking on certain people (atheists) is nothing more than paradoxically judging others for walking their own path, when all you should be concerned about is walking your own.

If the "source/god" does course through all of us then if you hate any aspect of it, you are in fact hating "source/god" which is doing nothing but manifesting itself in a different way in different people, which means that you are in fact hating yourself... because we are all "one" (without these bodies) and these appliances that we use are nothing but temporary things on the physical plane.

If these life's are lessons then can you not look at the outside world and see everything that exists in this physical plane (hate, love, fear, belief, faith etc) as also being inside you, that in fact none of us are perfect, that we all have had different upbringings, gone through different circumstances to lead us here. If "source god" has set the task of us to discover ourselves and our true nature, then who are YOU to judge others on their life's as we are all EQUAL and know nothing else of our existence apart from what we have experienced up to now.

On the outside there are no answers... just justifications.

How can you "transcend" when your "stuck"???

For no matter how much I use these symbols, to describe symptoms of my existence.
You are your own emphasis.
So I say nothing.

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18-05-2013, 08:12 PM
RE: Running Out of Steam
(18-05-2013 04:27 PM)Egor Wrote:  
(18-05-2013 01:53 PM)Full Circle Wrote:  Atheist don't argue for atheism, we argue against theism, see the difference?

No...I don't. I'm surprised you do.

(18-05-2013 02:37 AM)Egor Wrote:  A whole lot of people here have tried to befriend you and help you and now you shit all over us...again.

You are a toxic person. When people are kind to you, you use that as an in to be narcisstic and demeaning. In every way you interact, you are all about the put down, and I think you enjoy fooling people into letting you "advise" them, which only turns out to be veiled insults. You are a toxic individual.

Quote:If there is anyone on this forum who "hates" is you. I think all you do is project your own feelings of inadequacy and self-contempt unto the people here and there is no justification for it.

The preposition is "onto."

Quote:I do. Go already you psychotic, bipolar, two-faced, back-stabbing, needy, confused, anti-social parasite. (Didn't want to spoil your perception of "us" Dodgy ).

Gee, my ears are still ringing from you telling me I'm the only one who hates on this forum. You're not a really intelligent individual, are you?

You've lost the ability to accept any kindness shown Ed, your OP is case in point.

You call me toxic because I extend an olive branch, genuinely try to give you positive and constructive feedback and then when you lump all of us here, including me, as hateful and bigoted you are oh so surprised that I take offense? Really? You reap what you sow Ed and you are quite the farmer of discord.

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18-05-2013, 09:07 PM
 
RE: Running Out of Steam
(18-05-2013 07:27 PM)Stark Raving Wrote:  Now the difference between you and I Egor, is simply that I believe the bolded part of your statement describes atheism very accurately. But you think to "progress" requires dying or something else radical, whereas the way I see it is that to progress, I need only accept reality and truth. I DO realize that there is no divine. And I DO understand that the idea of god needing a god is exactly why good logic cannot lead to god.


Sorry. Just smoked a fat joint, so I really hope that all made sense. For the record, I stopped reading the thread at the post quoted.

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Well, since you just smoked a bunch of weed, there's no point in responding to you. I've always wondered what life is worth if we spend all our time drugging it away.

All I know is there is a Divine Source I pray to and seems to be with me. I see it at work in my life and in the lives of others when I read their dreams or do their charts. I didn't make the universe, and I have good reason to believe my consciousness does not depend on my brain to exist. These things are the fundamentals of my theism.

You atheists can do whatever you want. We all have a life path to walk. If you want to spend your time hating--then hate. If you want to spend your time stoned--be stoned. If you want to sail the fatalistic winds of your life, then take the rudder and mainsheet. If you just want to be pushed around by them, then do nothing.
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18-05-2013, 09:32 PM
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Set sail away already!

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18-05-2013, 09:37 PM
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(18-05-2013 04:31 PM)Egor Wrote:  1. It's where you come to spew your hatred of those who believe differently than you.

2. You can't rise to a level of acceptance, and society, for the most part, doesn't accept atheists. So--here you are.

1. Remind me why you came to an atheist forum?

Or maybe i'm wrong, it may have been to get constructive criticism to hone your bs act.

I'm here because I prefer people that live in reality.

2. Says the one that claimed to be on a mission to destroy atheism not too long ago? Hypocrite.

Why should anyone accept something that's holding humanity back?


(18-05-2013 09:32 PM)nach_in Wrote:  Set sail away already!

He's not leaving, he's an attention whore.

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