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04-10-2016, 11:08 PM
Russia tells citizens to ‘prepare for nuclear war with West’
https://uk.news.yahoo.com/russia-tells-c...03585.html

Quote:Russia has warned citizens that a nuclear war with the West could be imminent - sparked by clashes in the Middle East.

Zvezda, a nationwide TV service run by the country’s Ministry of Defence, said last week, ‘Schizophrenics from America are sharpening nuclear weapons for Moscow.’

Officials said on Friday that underground shelters had been built which could house 12 milion people - enough for the entire population of Moscow.

Russia has clashed with the Western powers over its policy in Syria - where it’s accused of bombing civilians - and the U.S suspended negotiations with the country yesterday.

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05-10-2016, 01:31 AM
RE: Russia tells citizens to ‘prepare for nuclear war with West’
Using bogeymen to achieve internal support, or at least suppression of dissidence, is an old tactic.
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05-10-2016, 02:07 AM
RE: Russia tells citizens to ‘prepare for nuclear war with West’
Well, just hope those shelters either have enough food and water for a very long time or tunnels leading a long way up wind.

Moscow would be a radioactive desert for a lifetime or several. Non-one in unradiated areas would want humdreds of thousands of nuclear refugees descending on them and using up their resources.

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05-10-2016, 03:15 AM
RE: Russia tells citizens to ‘prepare for nuclear war with West’
It won't come to that. This is bluster for internal consumption only. I highly doubt anyone in the American government regards Syria as any sort of casus belli regarding Russia. We have very, very little influence there, and nothing worth fighting over. This is Putin using the tiff as a distraction from a slow economy hampered by low oil prices.

I personally wish we would cease all operations there outside of the humanitarian. Assad and the "moderates" we're helping both seem terribly inhumane. We should limit ourselves to taking in refugees and helping the EU cope with their own refugee crisis.
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11-10-2016, 04:16 PM
RE: Russia tells citizens to ‘prepare for nuclear war with West’
(04-10-2016 11:08 PM)GenesisNemesis Wrote:  
Quote:Officials said on Friday that underground shelters had been built which could house 12 million people - enough for the entire population of Moscow.


Just no. Physically impossible.

And what of the remaining 132 million Russians? Presumably they'd be quite happy with Putin's death sentence LOL.

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11-10-2016, 06:33 PM
RE: Russia tells citizens to ‘prepare for nuclear war with West’
(11-10-2016 04:16 PM)SYZ Wrote:  
(04-10-2016 11:08 PM)GenesisNemesis Wrote:  
Just no. Physically impossible.

Unless your talking about building all the shelters in Moscow (and that isn't the way I read the OP) then no it isn't impossible. Expensive but not impossible.

12,000,000 people
8,000 people per shelter
1,500 shelters
40 sq/ft per person
320,000 sq/ft per shelter
480,000,000 total sq/ft
$200.00 per sq/ft
$96,000,000,000.00 total cost

Spread it out over 10 years and you're looking at less than $10 billion a year. That's doable for a country like Russia. It doesn't mean they did it, but it wouldn't be impossible.

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11-10-2016, 11:42 PM
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40 ft² per person sounds like a good recipe for social breakdown.
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12-10-2016, 12:05 AM
RE: Russia tells citizens to ‘prepare for nuclear war with West’
And then there's this:

White House Vows ‘Proportional’ Response for Russian DNC Hack
http://www.wsj.com/articles/white-house-...1476220192

White House press secretary Josh Earnest said Tuesday that President Barack Obama is considering “a range of responses” but isn't likely to announce one in advance. “The president has talked before about the significant capabilities that the U.S. government has to both defend our systems in the United States but also carry out offensive operations in other countries,” he said. [...] National security experts and cybersecurity analysts have said “proportional” responses carry other risks as well. They could escalate into a more adversarial conflict between both countries. But the absence of a response could signal that such behavior will be tolerated in the future.

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12-10-2016, 05:02 AM
RE: Russia tells citizens to ‘prepare for nuclear war with West’
(11-10-2016 06:33 PM)Popeyes Pappy Wrote:  
(11-10-2016 04:16 PM)SYZ Wrote:  Just no. Physically impossible.

Unless your talking about building all the shelters in Moscow (and that isn't the way I read the OP) then no it isn't impossible. Expensive but not impossible.

12,000,000 people
8,000 people per shelter
1,500 shelters
40 sq/ft per person
320,000 sq/ft per shelter
480,000,000 total sq/ft
$200.00 per sq/ft
$96,000,000,000.00 total cost

Spread it out over 10 years and you're looking at less than $10 billion a year. That's doable for a country like Russia. It doesn't mean they did it, but it wouldn't be impossible.
Now stock the shelters with food, medications, clothes, things for thousands of people to do rather than sit around getting suicidally depressed (depression seems to be part of the Russian way of life), energy resources... for enough time for surface radiation levels to drop to survivable.

Just the logistics going on would trigger intel alarms globally.

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12-10-2016, 05:16 AM
RE: Russia tells citizens to ‘prepare for nuclear war with West’
(11-10-2016 11:42 PM)Thumpalumpacus Wrote:  40 ft² per person sounds like a good recipe for social breakdown.

It's actually 5x the US government's recommended 8 ft² per person for a two week stay in a public emergency shelter.

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