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18-11-2016, 06:54 PM
Russia unveils 'Satan 2'
Seriously scary stuff. We need to update our defense systems.

Russia unveils 'Satan 2,' a nuclear missile that could 'wipe out Texas,' speed past U.S. defense systems

Quote:http://www.dallasnews.com/news/us-news/2...se-systems

Russia unveiled a new intercontinental ballistic missile that can reportedly destroy a geographic area as large as Texas.
The debut of the RS-28 Sarmat, nicknamed "Satan 2," was first announced by Russian news network Zvezda. It will replace the R-36M Voevoda missile, the original "Satan."
"The Sarmat missile will not only become the R-36M's successor, but also to some extent it will determine in which direction nuclear deterrence in the world will develop," Zvezda reported.
According to Sputnik, an English-language news site with ties to the Russian government, the Sarmat missile will be faster than any missile-defense system in existence. It will have an estimated range of more than 6,000 miles.
It will be equipped with a dozen warheads with a payload of between four to 10 tons. During the missile's debut, a broadcaster on Zvezda said Sarmat missiles could "wipe out" areas as large as Texas or France.
Sputnik reports Sarmat missiles will also be equipped with "advanced anti-missile countermeasures meant to penetrate the U.S. [Advanced Ballistic Missile] shield."
The Russian Defense Ministry plans to put Sarmat missiles into service in 2018. The RS-28 Sarmat missile is also expected to completely replace the R-36M Voevoda missile by 2020, according to Sputnik.
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18-11-2016, 08:52 PM
RE: Russia unveils 'Satan 2'
Well done, Russia.
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18-11-2016, 10:04 PM
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Well done USA you retards for creating and using Nukes in the first place.

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18-11-2016, 10:22 PM
RE: Russia unveils 'Satan 2'
Well done you Brits for stopping the Germans from refining enough Uranium to be the first to do so. Tongue

(Technically, the commandos were Norwegian, but the British Special Operations Executive is the group behind the raid, including having the Norwegian team delivered by air.)

The "Satan" missile is of course the US designation; as the article states, the Russians don't call it that. They named it after the Sarmatians. The original version from which the SS-18 Satan was derived was built in the early 60s, and the "Satan" has been in operation since the 70s.

Russia has already been developing high-maneuverability missiles capable of dodging our defenses since the days of Regan's "Star Wars" program, and the "Satan 2" missile is a logical evolutionary development of that trend. I'm not sure why it would be a shock to anyone. What they already have can dodge any system we currently employ (we have a hard enough time hitting our own warheads, which don't maneuver), so this system is undoubtedly in anticipation of future defensive systems deployed by the United States.

Due mainly to the threat of Chinese anti-carrier ballistic weaponry, the US Navy has spent the past couple of decades hard at work developing ship-launched antiballistic missile variants of the "Standard" surface to air missile, the SM-6 variant having been revealed in March of 2016, with a supposed "hit-to-kill" capability. How long it will take the USA to get them into fleet operational service, I don't know.

Russia would be crazy not to develop this technology.

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18-11-2016, 10:57 PM
RE: Russia unveils 'Satan 2'
I'm sure Drumpf will tell his buddy Putin to aim at NY or California rather than Texass.

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18-11-2016, 11:02 PM
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Right, so did everybody forget the Tsar Bomba?

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18-11-2016, 11:14 PM
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Now toss one on top of the ice caps just to see what happens.

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19-11-2016, 02:29 AM
RE: Russia unveils 'Satan 2'
Haven't found a decent technical description of the missile yet but I would assume that it is a MIRV, "multiple independently targetable reentry vehicle", one big rocket with lots of warheads. That would give the large geographical spread.

MIRVS exist now, this is presumably a bigger and faster one. Saves having to launch several smaller MIRV.

IIRC defence is basically only available against the re-entry stage anyway, unless there is a large and dense screen of anti-missile satellites over the whole defended area plus enough surveillance to spot the bugger taking off on a confirmed aggressive trajectory.

Odds of getting all the warheads, which will probably have ECM? :shrug:

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19-11-2016, 02:36 AM
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Oh the irony. Smile

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19-11-2016, 03:28 AM
RE: Russia unveils 'Satan 2'
(19-11-2016 02:29 AM)Gloucester Wrote:  Haven't found a decent technical description of the missile yet but I would assume that it is a MIRV, "multiple independently targetable reentry vehicle", one big rocket with lots of warheads. That would give the large geographical spread.

MIRVS exist now, this is presumably a bigger and faster one. Saves having to launch several smaller MIRV.

IIRC defence is basically only available against the re-entry stage anyway, unless there is a large and dense screen of anti-missile satellites over the whole defended area plus enough surveillance to spot the bugger taking off on a confirmed aggressive trajectory.

Odds of getting all the warheads, which will probably have ECM? :shrug:

This is more than a MIRV, it's a MaRV (or some semblance thereof), in which each warhead actually maneuvers as an independent spacecraft once it is lofted by the booster to the peak of its arc. Originally, MIRVs were developed because rockets were difficult and expensive to build and maintain, so you got more "bang for your buck" by packing a bunch of smaller warheads on a single rocket. Also, a little-known fact is that the the design of Tsar Bomba (though it was deliberately reduced in capacity by its builder to ~50 MT) was the absolute upper limit of useful explosive capacity, 100 megatons. Any larger explosion than that and the weapon's blast radius literally reaches so far it grows out of the atmosphere so that most of its explosive force is wasted venting out into space rather than directed at the ground target you're trying to kill, and you only get an effective yield of about 100 MT anyway. But more importantly, because of the inverse square law, it's actually far more destructive to drop five 20 MT warheads spread out across a large city than to drop a single 100 MT warhead in the center of it. MIRVs were also useful if you wanted to target several enemy missile silos, spread out across an Air Force Base in Montana, for instance. In reality, most warheads are "only" in the 250 kiloton range.

The US has actually moved away from using MIRVs and gone back to developing single warheads on each (smaller) rocket because rocket technology has gotten so much better and cheaper, and because MIRVs come down as a cluster (they can only "steer" enough to spread out and hit targets in a narrow arc of separation from where the rocket was "aimed"), and are on an easily-calculable ballistic trajectory, they're easy to take out with nuclear interceptor missiles... one blast and your whole MIRV shot is gone. Newer ABM missiles are capable of shooting those down even without nuclear caps of their own.

The new hypersonic maneuvering warhead the Russians have developed is supposed to be able to not only maneuver on the way over but to turn in atmosphere almost like a fighter or high speed cruise missile, and attack for multiple and/or unexpected directions while making them almost impossible to intercept.

Reportedly, both China and the USA are working on the same sort of technology. China is also developing (or has developed) a non-nuclear, kinetic, hypersonic impactor version, designed to punch a big hole in the middle of US aircraft carriers, should we send the USN to intervene against them in the western Pacific.

Edit to Add: Humans have quietly gotten much, much better at killing one another than our grandparents were. Undecided

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