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19-11-2016, 12:34 PM
RE: Russia unveils 'Satan 2'
(19-11-2016 12:24 PM)Gloucester Wrote:  
(19-11-2016 12:18 PM)tomilay Wrote:  It's meaningless to have such a weapon. It will never be used. Wiping out an area the size of Texas, still leaves the US with second strike capability, most of which is in submarines.

Well, we all know it is MAD and that no one will win.

But, maybe politicians are mad as well.

I get that. But my point is that the US doesn't have to expend any extra effort to counter the Russian development, beyond ensuring that the existing deterrent is reliable.

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19-11-2016, 12:34 PM (This post was last modified: 19-11-2016 12:37 PM by Stevil.)
RE: Russia unveils 'Satan 2'
(19-11-2016 09:19 AM)KUSA Wrote:  I think we need to focus on defense technology more than offensive technologies in this day and age. If another country sent nukes flying at us it would do us no good to send ours back at them. Both sides lose.

We need to nullify the offending missiles.
Yeah but, unless they can confidently shoot your missles down, they won't send a volley your way because they don't want it coming back at them.

You probably don't need to spend any more money on nukes, you have enough already to deter the chinese, the russians, the arabs and the north koreans.

What you need to worry about is China's future economic position, they will take over the world from an economic front rather than a military one.

Oh: Btw, the best way to get rid of your enemies is to make them your friends. Don't vote for people that see muslims as enemies, mexicans as enemies, or are excited about taking military action against ISIS or are keen to create a global trade war. Obama was great in this regard, he appeared to have respect for other cultures and was much less texan cowboy in his approach.
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19-11-2016, 12:41 PM
RE: Russia unveils 'Satan 2'
So what exactly does the US have against Russia, anyway, and vice versa?

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19-11-2016, 12:43 PM
RE: Russia unveils 'Satan 2'
(19-11-2016 12:41 PM)cactus Wrote:  So what exactly does the US have against Russia, anyway, and vice versa?

Both countries are envious of the other's penis size.
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19-11-2016, 01:09 PM
RE: Russia unveils 'Satan 2'
(19-11-2016 12:43 PM)Dark Wanderer Wrote:  
(19-11-2016 12:41 PM)cactus Wrote:  So what exactly does the US have against Russia, anyway, and vice versa?

Both countries are envious of the other's penis size.

Mutually shared paranoia. And, just like religion, everybody needs to have somebody to call "other" and rally against.

As for super fast missiles, I wonder how far our laser defense capability has evolved? The US Navy has fielded a demo.

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19-11-2016, 01:19 PM
RE: Russia unveils 'Satan 2'
(19-11-2016 12:13 PM)Mathilda Wrote:  
(19-11-2016 09:54 AM)yakherder Wrote:  That ceases to be a realistic option when said alliance becomes too complacent and underfunded to accomplish its stated objectives.

Or too reliant on one of those superpowers to keep it afloat.

Why?

Because once those with a conflicting agenda realize that the threat of force from the global alliance is A: merely a bluff and B: stretched too thin to enforce the (ideally) democratically agreed upon global agenda even if it were willing to try, they will simply do as they wish.

And if the non superpowers are too reliant on the support of the superpowers to keep the alliance afloat, then the leverage said superpowers gain from that dependence makes the opinions of the non superpowers irrelevant.

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19-11-2016, 01:22 PM
RE: Russia unveils 'Satan 2'
(19-11-2016 12:41 PM)cactus Wrote:  So what exactly does the US have against Russia, anyway, and vice versa?

To vastly simplify the 10,000+ year old problem, conflicting resource interests. People who try to make it personal do so as an involuntary afterthought.

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19-11-2016, 01:24 PM
RE: Russia unveils 'Satan 2'
(19-11-2016 01:19 PM)yakherder Wrote:  And if the non superpowers are too reliant on the support of the superpowers to keep the alliance afloat, then the leverage said superpowers gain from that dependence makes the opinions of the non superpowers irrelevant.
Well, NZ is a non super power.
We have banned nuclear weapons and nuclear powered ships in our territory for over 33 years. No super power has violated that. We are certainly not irrelevant.
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19-11-2016, 01:31 PM (This post was last modified: 19-11-2016 01:38 PM by yakherder.)
RE: Russia unveils 'Satan 2'
(19-11-2016 01:24 PM)Stevil Wrote:  
(19-11-2016 01:19 PM)yakherder Wrote:  And if the non superpowers are too reliant on the support of the superpowers to keep the alliance afloat, then the leverage said superpowers gain from that dependence makes the opinions of the non superpowers irrelevant.
Well, NZ is a non super power.
We have banned nuclear weapons and nuclear powered ships in our territory for over 33 years. No super power has violated that. We are certainly not irrelevant.

New Zealand is a member of the commonwealth and reliant on both their threat of force as well as a trade network established by their history of conquest. That leverage won't last forever.

And whatever the US and Russia do, rest assured the only say in the matter New Zealand will have will stem from that relationship. We don't need anything New Zealand has, but we do need something the Commonwealth as a whole has. They are looking out for your interests, and their interests are backed by nuclear weapons and military force.

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19-11-2016, 01:39 PM
RE: Russia unveils 'Satan 2'
Putin likes big things. Trump likes big things. I like big things.
Alright, that settles it. I'm all on board with Satan 2. Let's make nukes great again Smile



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