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21-04-2017, 06:28 AM
Russian Supreme Court bans JWs as "extremist organization"
For those who haven't been following it, Russia's been waging what amounts to a low level war against the JWs over at least the past few years, including raiding their churches and miraculously finding extremist literature that doesn't jive with JW beliefs, which no one at the churches knew how it got there. Given Putin's ties to the Orthodox Church, and because of the JWs doing their conscientious objector stuff, I can't imagine that those two things would in any way tie into this decision... /sarcasm


Top Russian Court Bans Jehovah's Witnesses, Claiming 'Extremist Activities'


Quote:Russia's Supreme Court has banned the Jehovah's Witness organization after the country's Justice Ministry requested the group be labeled "extremist" and have their operation dissolved, a Russian state news agency reports.

As NPR has previously reported, the group's literature and website has been subject to bans in Russia and members have been arrested or had their property seized. But Thursday's ruling also means the sect's Russian assets – including its St. Petersburg headquarters and nearly 400 chapters — will become state property, according to the Tass news agency.

The state-owned service adds, that the sect had been warned in October last year over "extremist activities."

"Under Russian legislation the religious organization in question is to be closed down if it fails to eliminate the exposed violations within the required deadline or if new evidence of its extremist activities come to light," Tass reports, adding that the Moscow city court upheld the warning earlier this year.

Reuters, citing an Interfax news report, adds that Justice Ministry attorney Svetlana Borisova said the Jehovah's Witnesses "pose a threat to the rights of the citizens, public order and public security."

But the sect contests the classification.

In a statement published Wednesday, the Jehovah's Witnesses claimed the Russian Justice Ministry failed to specify a legal basis for the ban, which appears to be part of Russia's anti-extremism law. That law classifies crimes "motivated by prejudice or, as stated in Russian law, 'ideological, political, racial, national or religious enmity, as well as hatred or enmity towards a social group'" as extremist.

"Extremist activities as they are listed in the Extremism Law are subject to prosecution regardless of their consequences and the level of public danger. This allows for the application of restrictive measures to relatively insignificant offenses," the law continues.

But as an official for the Jehovah's Witness operation in Russia told NPR last May, the religion demands pacifism of its members and other behaviors the group maintains are contrary to the extremist charge.

"The main problem that we face now is misuse of the anti-extremism law. In the whole world, Jehovah's Witnesses are known as peaceful, obedient, respectful citizens. We respect government, and we are politically totally neutral," said Yaroslav Sivulsky.

Then-NPR correspondent Corey Flintoff went one to elaborate:
"Sivulsky says the accusation of extremism is based on a false understanding of the Jehovah's Witnesses' assertion that theirs is the only true religion. Prosecutors have alleged that means they are promoting 'religious discord.'

" 'And of course, it's totally wrong,' Sivulsky says, 'because every religion feels that they have the only true religion. This is the nature of any religion, otherwise, why are you following a false religion?'

"Some opponents of the Jehovah's Witnesses say their claims are more than just polite disagreement, though.

" 'In their literature, there are some very harsh statements and very insulting statements about other faiths,' says Alexander Dvorkin, a former Russian Orthodox priest who now teaches the history of religion and cult studies at St. Tikhon University in Moscow. 'Of course, every religion has the right to criticize other faiths, but that should be done in a non-insulting manner, especially if you are talking about the faith of the majority.' "

The Jehovah's Witness organization, which claims some 170,000 Russian adherents, plans to appeal the ruling, Tass reports.

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21-04-2017, 10:45 AM
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(21-04-2017 06:28 AM)Shai Hulud Wrote:  For those who haven't been following it, Russia's been waging what amounts to a low level war against the JWs over at least the past few years, including raiding their churches and miraculously finding extremist literature that doesn't jive with JW beliefs, which no one at the churches knew how it got there. Given Putin's ties to the Orthodox Church, and because of the JWs doing their conscientious objector stuff, I can't imagine that those two things would in any way tie into this decision... /sarcasm

It sounds like paranoia to me. Does the Russian state think the Jehovah Witnesses are infiltrated by foreign spies or something?
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21-04-2017, 11:13 AM
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(21-04-2017 10:45 AM)Thoreauvian Wrote:  It sounds like paranoia to me. Does the Russian state think the Jehovah Witnesses are infiltrated by foreign spies or something?

Putin leans heavily on the support of the Orthodox church. This one as well as the anti gay legislations is mainly to keep them and their followers happy.

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21-04-2017, 11:32 AM
Russian Supreme Court bans JWs as "extremist organization"
It's not something that I will shed tears over.

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21-04-2017, 11:36 AM
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(21-04-2017 11:32 AM)Szuchow Wrote:  It's not something that I will shed tears over.

And yet you should. This isn't deserving of Schadenfreude.

As Martin Niemöller said.

Quote:First they came for the Socialists, and I did not speak out—
Because I was not a Socialist.

Then they came for the Trade Unionists, and I did not speak out—
Because I was not a Trade Unionist.

Then they came for the Jews, and I did not speak out—
Because I was not a Jew.

Then they came for me—and there was no one left to speak for me.

In short, things like that concern everyone who doesn't want to end up on the receiving end one day.

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21-04-2017, 12:29 PM
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(21-04-2017 11:36 AM)abaris Wrote:  
(21-04-2017 11:32 AM)Szuchow Wrote:  It's not something that I will shed tears over.

And yet you should. This isn't deserving of Schadenfreude.

As Martin Niemöller said.

Quote:First they came for the Socialists, and I did not speak out—
Because I was not a Socialist.

Then they came for the Trade Unionists, and I did not speak out—
Because I was not a Trade Unionist.

Then they came for the Jews, and I did not speak out—
Because I was not a Jew.

Then they came for me—and there was no one left to speak for me.

In short, things like that concern everyone who doesn't want to end up on the receiving end one day.
I didn't said that I'm happy, I only don't care much about some sect problems.

As for quote - my protest mean shit to autocrat and I have enough issues in Poland to be concerned with.

Sheding tears over some sect delegalization isn't something that I will do when I sometimes think that delegalizing religion is way to go (even if I know that it will solve nothing and it would be dangerous enrcroachement on citizens liberties).

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21-04-2017, 12:36 PM
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(21-04-2017 12:29 PM)Szuchow Wrote:  I didn't said that I'm happy, I only don't care much about some sect problems.

You're obviously missing the point. It's yet another group Putin cracks down on. One in many that he already targeted. So, yes, I don't feel indifferent just because it's JWs he's doing it to. Next time it will be yet another group, one that may be closer to my own views and values.

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21-04-2017, 12:44 PM
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(21-04-2017 12:36 PM)abaris Wrote:  
(21-04-2017 12:29 PM)Szuchow Wrote:  I didn't said that I'm happy, I only don't care much about some sect problems.

You're obviously missing the point. It's yet another group Putin cracks down on. One in many that he already targeted. So, yes, I don't feel indifferent just because it's JWs he's doing it to. Next time it will be yet another group, one that may be closer to my own views and values.

If that happen then my eventual protest will still mean shit.

In the meantime I will not be criticizing Putin for this move. Crackdown on homosexuals and aggresive foreign policy are far more important to me than some sect troubles*.

*I'm aware that my criticism means nothing but there are issues that aren't looked upon with contempt by me; religion I see as undeserving of defence.

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21-04-2017, 06:17 PM
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Dictators need their outsiders to oppress. Keeps the masses happy. Happy they weren't one of the outsiders.

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21-04-2017, 10:10 PM
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While I don't like JW's as much as the next atheist, I do not enjoy seeing this.
It is oppression of free speech and in an extreme form. Russia is a pretty fucked up country and they're going in a direction I don't like. They're pro-Orthodox church and anti-anything against it. It's a backwards stepping trend and saddly Russia is not the only country doing it.
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