SO THE EVIL EVOLUTIONIST SCIENTIST FIRED MARK H. ARMITAGE FOR DISPROVING OLD EARTH
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06-07-2014, 03:36 PM
SO THE EVIL EVOLUTIONIST SCIENTIST FIRED MARK H. ARMITAGE FOR DISPROVING OLD EARTH
In all seriousness I came across this today.

http://www.uncommondescent.com/expelled/...quisition/

So here is the rundown the source gives:

"What happens when you publish a peer-reviewed paper that states inconvenient facts against Darwinism? Better yet, photos that cast doubt on prevailing paradigms:

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You get fired. At least that is what a researcher is alleging."

Of course people were going to respond to this event. PZ myers in radio podcast by

Minnesota Atheists

He said:

"The creationists are all on fire about this, and it’s been a big thing in the last couple of yearsI’ve been to a number of creation museums in Missouri and the one in Kentucky and so forth, and they all have big exhibits on this all throughout the world because there was something gooey find inside of a dinosaur bone.

It’s kind of nonsensical though, because Schweitzer’s observation was that when you dug deep into a bone, into the sheltered deep recesses of a fossilized bone, you could find these unusual structures, which when demineralized–I think that’s a very important point, is these were covered with all kinds of mineral deposits–when demineralized you’ve got something left that’s got kind of a spongy texture, and you look at it in the microscope, it looks vaguely like messotheial cells, cells that line blood vessels. Okay. Other people have said, well yeah, but they look more like bacterial biofilms anyway.

So it’s definitely biological material. It’s definitely soft. It’s buried in the bone. Now I don’t why they (creationists) think this is a big deal cause there’s nothing about taphonomy that says every single thing inside of a fossilized bone has to be replaced, it has to be completely replaced with some other mineral. And what these are are isolated bits that are very deep that… They’re carbon. What do you think happens to carbon over 70 million years? It doesn’t turn into lead or it doesn’t turn into calcium carbonate. It stays carbon.

So they found carbonaceous material that has a spongy texture. There’s nothing in that to contradict evolutionary theory. It’s an interesting phenomenon in fossil taphonomy. It says something interesting about preservation of tissues, but it’s not a strike against evolution."

Of course Mark responds with:

If you knew anything Dr. Meyers, about the microscopy of osteocytes – living osteocytes – (and we are not talking about epithelial cells) you would know that delicate ultrastructure – and I am talking fine filipodia approaching 500nm in width, decay WITHIN DAYS of the death of an organism. We microscopists have to use quick acting preservatives and process bone tissues immediately ON ICE to preserve the kinds of structures you can see on the Triceratops osteocytes in my paper:

http://www.sciencedirect.com/science/art...8113000020

The reason we creationists are very excited about this work – the reason you and Jack Horner and Mary Schweitzer are backpedalling FAST on this issue now is because EVERYBODY knows this kind of ultrastructural preservation is MIRACULOUS. Osteocytes do not sit around with these kinds of structures for 10,000 years – let alone 68 million years.

Secondly – you should resist the temptation to comment about things you have not done your homework on. Seriously, you are embarrassing yourself because Mary Schweitzer showed in her 2013 paper that these osteocytes contain HISTONES inside their nucleoli. This is direct evidence that there is MIRACULOUS preservation of autogenous molecules inside these bones – and in my case, inside a highly vascular, mud embedded Triceratops horn (not a deeply buried heavily encased limb bone).

Thirdly, (and once again) Schweitzer has completely blown away the biofilm argument….Seriously – STOP TALKING PZ – you are showing folks how little you know about the work that has been done by Schweitzer.

Fourthly PZ – this is not something small and isolated found in one or two bones here or there – this is EVERYWHERE – soft autogenous tissues are EVERYWHERE in the fossil record – it is THE NORM and we at the Creation Research Society are going to PROVE it. We are going to test fossils from as many sites as possible and we are going to document what you are trying to cover up – the fossil graveyard left all over the earth as a result of the Flood of Noah happened very recently. Just sit back and watch the show.

By the way, I loved you in Ray Comfort’s new film, “Evolution vs God.”

http://www.uncommondescent.com/intellect...s-critics/

Leaving out the liar ray comforts movie as we all know that he is the one to edit out his interviews at inconvenient partsDodgy, it seems that evolution is false because the paper in question is a paper called "Soft sheets of fibrillar bone from a fossil of the supraorbital horn of the dinosaur Triceratops horridus" http://www.sciencedirect.com/science/art...8113000020

The reason it disproves evolution is because it supposedly debunks iron and biofilm from preserving the remains of the t-rex find of Mary. This would mean that the earth was 6,000, gays go to hell, and that Jesus died on a cross to forgive you, even though Yahweh can do that anyway because he can do what he wants.

The problem is where is the original source of this new article. Is it a real objection, no. However I do want to know if this was legitimate or a creationist going crazy and making a claim that he was fired for the paper when he wasn't.

Also if you ask me, It seems the whole T-rex "blood" thing is the last resort for creationist.

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06-07-2014, 05:35 PM
RE: SO THE EVIL EVOLUTIONIST SCIENTIST FIRED MARK H. ARMITAGE FOR DISPROVING OLD EARTH
(06-07-2014 03:36 PM)Metazoa Zeke Wrote:  If you knew anything Dr. Meyers, about the microscopy of osteocytes – living osteocytes – (and we are not talking about epithelial cells) you would know that delicate ultrastructure – and I am talking fine filipodia approaching 500nm in width, decay WITHIN DAYS of the death of an organism. We microscopists have to use quick acting preservatives and process bone tissues immediately ON ICE to preserve the kinds of structures you can see on the Triceratops osteocytes in my paper:

If this is the case, wouldn't that indicate that these fossils are less than a few days old?
Call me a crazy, dumb ass motherfucker with a penchant for tailgate keggers at demolition derbies, but it just doesn't seem plausible to have triceratops fossils that are younger than stuff in my fridge.

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06-07-2014, 05:48 PM
RE: SO THE EVIL EVOLUTIONIST SCIENTIST FIRED MARK H. ARMITAGE FOR DISPROVING OLD EARTH
I like the comments:

"JoeAugust 6, 2013 at 7:15 am

If this is true, that he was fired for writing that paper and questioning evolutionism, then it is time for a war- a bloody war at that because this crap has to stop and obvioulsy the only way to stop it is to rid the world of all the cry-baby loser materialists."


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06-07-2014, 05:53 PM
RE: SO THE EVIL EVOLUTIONIST SCIENTIST FIRED MARK H. ARMITAGE FOR DISPROVING OLD EARTH
(06-07-2014 05:48 PM)Taqiyya Mockingbird Wrote:  I like the comments:

"JoeAugust 6, 2013 at 7:15 am

If this is true, that he was fired for writing that paper and questioning evolutionism, then it is time for a war- a bloody war at that because this crap has to stop and obvioulsy the only way to stop it is to rid the world of all the cry-baby loser materialists."


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Well, you know; "I came not to bring peace, but to bring a sword".

He was real big on peace, you see.

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06-07-2014, 05:59 PM
RE: SO THE EVIL EVOLUTIONIST SCIENTIST FIRED MARK H. ARMITAGE FOR DISPROVING OLD EARTH
(06-07-2014 05:48 PM)Taqiyya Mockingbird Wrote:  I like the comments:

"JoeAugust 6, 2013 at 7:15 am

If this is true, that he was fired for writing that paper and questioning evolutionism, then it is time for a war- a bloody war at that because this crap has to stop and obvioulsy the only way to stop it is to rid the world of all the cry-baby loser materialists."


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If I have learned anything it is religion does not convince by reason but by war. Very few religions follow that rule.

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06-07-2014, 06:04 PM
RE: SO THE EVIL EVOLUTIONIST SCIENTIST FIRED MARK H. ARMITAGE FOR DISPROVING OLD EARTH
(06-07-2014 05:59 PM)Metazoa Zeke Wrote:  If I have learned anything it is religion does not convince by reason but by war. Very few religions follow that rule.

Thus my signature!

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06-07-2014, 06:32 PM
RE: SO THE EVIL EVOLUTIONIST SCIENTIST FIRED MARK H. ARMITAGE FOR DISPROVING OLD EARTH
(06-07-2014 06:04 PM)Full Circle Wrote:  
(06-07-2014 05:59 PM)Metazoa Zeke Wrote:  If I have learned anything it is religion does not convince by reason but by war. Very few religions follow that rule.

Thus my signature!

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12-07-2014, 08:35 AM
RE: SO THE EVIL EVOLUTIONIST SCIENTIST FIRED MARK H. ARMITAGE FOR DISPROVING OLD EARTH
Quote:soft autogenous tissues are EVERYWHERE in the fossil record

That's awesome how they know this already, without a single fossil dug up. That's science! Or not....

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12-07-2014, 08:48 AM
RE: SO THE EVIL EVOLUTIONIST SCIENTIST FIRED MARK H. ARMITAGE FOR DISPROVING OLD EARTH
(12-07-2014 08:35 AM)TheInquisition Wrote:  
Quote:soft autogenous tissues are EVERYWHERE in the fossil record

That's awesome how they know this already, without a single fossil dug up. That's science! Or not....

Actually soft tissue is more common then you might think. That is the first fall of creationist followers. The believe it is the tissue being soft(which it wasn't when found, it had to sit in a demineralizing solution for christ sake, what soft tissue must you do that too?)was the controversy point, though it is more the left of structures found in it, i.e the red microstructures.

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31-07-2014, 07:07 PM
Video debunking soft tissue
(12-07-2014 08:48 AM)Metazoa Zeke Wrote:  
(12-07-2014 08:35 AM)TheInquisition Wrote:  That's awesome how they know this already, without a single fossil dug up. That's science! Or not....

Actually soft tissue is more common then you might think. That is the first fall of creationist followers. The believe it is the tissue being soft(which it wasn't when found, it had to sit in a demineralizing solution for christ sake, what soft tissue must you do that too?)was the controversy point, though it is more the left of structures found in it, i.e the red microstructures.

I found a great video by potholer54debunks on the soft tissue issue, apparently creationists look at pictures and don't read the actual scientific papers they reference:



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