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10-07-2015, 04:06 PM
Rainbow RE: Saint or Monster?
(10-07-2015 01:30 PM)Szuchow Wrote:  
(10-07-2015 12:39 PM)ShellShilo Wrote:  It would appear Szuchow that I may have hit a nerve. Let me give you an example of what I am trying to say. There is a small minority of people that do not believe that President Obama is the President of the United States, no matter how much evidence you can show them. But, the evidence (facts) is enough to convince the majority of the people that he is the President. However, if the majority of people did not accept that President Obama is the President, it would mean that there was insufficient facts to make this a truth claim. Obviously, this could not happen since the majority of people have accepted the evidence, and can make the truth claim that he is indeed the President.

He is President regardless of opinion of people. Even majority disbelieving his presidency doesen't change a thing for he is President. It's simply true and only idiot disregard this fact.

(10-07-2015 12:39 PM)ShellShilo Wrote:  I use the word relative to show how well the truth conforms to reality. But in the future I will use tentative instead. In other words, nothing is true until it is proven true, and if the facts change, so does the truth. Certainty claims that have already been proven true, can't be relative. It would be irrelevant if people disbelieved or not accepted that Hitler was the Chancellor. There are other ideas and thoughts where the truth is not so certain, and for now, must be tentative or relative.

I would say relative don't fit the example in the slightest. There is nothing relative about Obama presidency. He is President now and if world don't suddenly change at some time he won't be President anymore. Latter would be true someday but then there will be nothing relative in it.

(10-07-2015 12:39 PM)ShellShilo Wrote:  I'm glad that you don't create Deities or spend your life dreaming of living forever. That was not my intention, and you seem far to intelligent to do so.

Sorry but I don't need you saying that. Especially considering that you don't know me so it's only empty words. What I was getting at was your unwarranted use of "we". "We" don't need to stop anything, I'm capable of thinking for myself and I don't even do what "we" were supposed to stop.

(10-07-2015 12:39 PM)ShellShilo Wrote:  You may not care about the history of mans early rituals, and Deity worshipping, or even how this history of mans evolution have affected society, but it would be in your best interest, since you are also part of that same society.

In my best interest? How do you know what is in my best interest? And why it's that and not good job, happy life or degree? I don't give a damn about burial rituals and I don't think that caring about them is in my best interest.

(10-07-2015 12:39 PM)ShellShilo Wrote:  As I have stated before, I'm not into absolute or abstract truth. The first I don't believe exists, and the second can provide a logical argument that would make shit sound good enough to eat. Drooling Thanks for Listening Shell Heart

As for the first Hitler being chancellor of the III Reich is as absolute truth as we can get, similar to Obama presidency, though I do not describe truth as absolute for it is redundant. As for the second I doubt that or rather I could believe that one can spin some absurd story in which everything is justified/sounds good but such absurd stories tend to fail when confronted with reality.

Thanks for that. However now, I think I do know you. So ĂšNCLE!!! and thanks for listening. Shell Heart
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11-07-2015, 12:10 AM
RE: Saint or Monster?
(10-07-2015 04:06 PM)ShellShilo Wrote:  Thanks for that.

No problem.

(10-07-2015 04:06 PM)ShellShilo Wrote:  However now, I think I do know you.

I highly doubt it but whatever.

The first revolt is against the supreme tyranny of theology, of the phantom of God. As long as we have a master in heaven, we will be slaves on earth.

Mikhail Bakunin.
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11-07-2015, 12:19 AM
RE: Saint or Monster?
(10-07-2015 10:05 AM)ShellShilo Wrote:  
(10-07-2015 09:07 AM)unfogged Wrote:  I think your use of "relative" is confusing since that implies that it can be different for different people or situations. I agree that our understanding of what is true is tentative, but not relative.
Thank you, unfogged, for your contribution. Lets go with tentative. The truth, as it relates to science and survival will always be tentative, until something better comes along. The truth in science in the mind of a theist, is certainly relative. thanks again!! Shell Heart

Are you like a human pretending to be a bot? You're not very good at it.

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11-07-2015, 01:20 AM
RE: Saint or Monster?
Claus[e]! E!

That goddamned E!!!111!

It's Santa Claus, folks, no extraneous E, Jesus Christ and General Jackson.
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11-07-2015, 01:57 AM (This post was last modified: 11-07-2015 02:02 AM by GirlyMan.)
RE: Saint or Monster?
To be fair,





The clause is you put on the suit you're the big guy.

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11-07-2015, 05:08 AM
Rainbow RE: Saint or Monster?
(11-07-2015 12:19 AM)GirlyMan Wrote:  
(10-07-2015 10:05 AM)ShellShilo Wrote:  Thank you, unfogged, for your contribution. Lets go with tentative. The truth, as it relates to science and survival will always be tentative, until something better comes along. The truth in science in the mind of a theist, is certainly relative. thanks again!! Shell Heart

Are you like a human pretending to be a bot? You're not very good at it.

Hi girlyMan. Well, like I'm certainly not a robot pretending to be human. My opinions and ideas are my own. I enjoy the free exchange of idea, and I am certainly not afraid of learning something new in the process. I am not interested in engaging with people who's only goal is to win. I am also not interested in engaging with people, that only bring, close-mindedness, misrepresentation, emotional and social biases, and dishonesty, to the table. Thanks for listening. Shell Heart
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11-07-2015, 03:32 PM
RE: Saint or Monster?
(11-07-2015 05:08 AM)ShellShilo Wrote:  Well, like I'm certainly not a robot pretending to be human.

You are certainly not that. I'm inquiring about the converse.

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11-07-2015, 04:39 PM
RE: Saint or Monster?
I just asked her the same question, elsewhere. Except I'm still not 100% on the Turing Test issue... but she's certainly one or the other, a bot pretending to be human or vice-versa.

The poor spelling is a good indicator of humanity, though that could just be a diabolical programmer:

"Yes, yes! Make the bot spell whose as who's... that will drive them crazy on two levels!! Mwuhahahahaha!!"

"Theology made no provision for evolution. The biblical authors had missed the most important revelation of all! Could it be that they were not really privy to the thoughts of God?" - E. O. Wilson
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11-07-2015, 05:33 PM
RE: Saint or Monster?
I'm late to the game of saying hello...but hello and welcome!

I, like many others here, am also an escapee from indoctrination. The worst kind: Fuckedupmental ....(errr I mean Fundamental) Pentecostalism. My point is, i fell into many of the categories you described. But who wouldn't if you were taught from birth to throw logic / reason to the wind and just rely on god, hallelujah! Ugh.

**Crickets** -- God
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11-07-2015, 11:05 PM
Rainbow RE: Saint or Monster?
(11-07-2015 03:32 PM)GirlyMan Wrote:  
(11-07-2015 05:08 AM)ShellShilo Wrote:  Well, like I'm certainly not a robot pretending to be human.

You are certainly not that. I'm inquiring about the converse.

Can we possible move past the Bot/Spelling issue, and engage in a topic that is less ego gratifying and more topic focused? However, for all the 'Birther' and 'Botlover', out there, I was born of human parents (one male and one female). I have no artificial or mechanical parts (that I am aware of), and can't be disassembled and put back together again, and expect to function. My biological six senses, (the sixth, before you face palm, is called Proprioception), make me aware of my biological existence within space-time. I try very hard to chose words and phrases that avoid ambiguity and misinterpretation to specifically attract people WHOSE motives and objectives are the same. Clearly, I'm not always successful. I sincerely hope that we have settled the question of my humanism, and why I will continue to make grammatical and spelling errors now and in the future. I also hope that future topics will be more fruitful and require more critical thinking. Thanks for listening. Shell Heart
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