RE: Salvation vs. actions
(31-01-2013 01:45 PM)Aseptic Skeptic Wrote: I agree with Impulse, but I figure I gotta rebut so we can find out if Richard wants to converse meaningfully.
As for me, I find that particular belief repugnant. I'm an atheist. I have no god watching over me, guiding my actions or threatening me with punishment if I act badly. My only reward is here in this world and my only punishment will be carried out in this world by my peers if my actions warrant it.
Despite that, I try to live my life such that everyone I meet, friends, coworkers, neighbors, clerks at stores, whoever, even if that meeting is brief and I'll never see that person again, my goal is to make sure I comport myself in such a way that they feel like their life, their day, or even just their moment, was better for having shared it with me. Often, that usually just means being polite and maybe saying something witty to put a smile on a stranger's face - mission accomplished. For people I have actual relationships with, it means much more than that.
Back to your beliefs and the repugnance thereof. You believe you can be an ass to anyone at any time and you have no consequences for it. In person, the behavior you exemplified here on this forum would get you punched in the nose. You know it would. You rely on your anonymity through the computer to protect you - the worst we can do is join you in name calling so you're safe.
The worst part is that you actually think you're superior to other people all the while you have this free license to be an ass and still be rewarded despite the repugnance of your behavior. That's sick, twisted, and revolting. Behavior like yours should be punished. You should be made to stop (i.e. punched in the nose), or at least highly encouraged to stop (i.e. not getting punched in the nose when you behave sociably).
You've chosen an imaginary friend in the sky who gives you an eternity of blissful reward for the most lame reason ever - gullibility. All you have to do is believe in a mythological character who never existed, all because an ancient book says so, without a shred of real evidence, and despite a ton of real contradictory evidence. In other words, you get eternal reward for being easily gullible. And along with that reward comes your free pass to treat your fellow man with abominable disregard.
I almost hope, almost, that there is a perfect, benevolent, creator god who put us all here for a reason and who judges us perfectly and rewards or punishes us accordingly. No, I don't mean your psychopathic idiot god, Yahweh, but an actual wise, loving creator god. For surely if there were such a god, your behavior (at least here; it's all I know about you) would not be rewarded. Not in the slightest. In fact, quite the opposite; your behavior would be punished.
But I said "almost" because I don't really hope that. At least not the punishment part. Nobody deserves eternal torture for temporary bad behavior. But, that's not what you believe - you believe people like me deserve to burn in hell just because I'm not as gullible as you. For committing no crime, for behaving with no malice, for doing nothing wrong but using the brain god gave me, I must burn and you're OK with that. I'm not. Not for me, not for you, not for anyone. Which is why I really don't wish for a god to punish you, at least not with a punishment such as hell.
But it would be cool if my suggested version of a loving god would take you and me to heaven and put you in timeout, say, for a few thousand years, to think about what an ass you've been and to reflect on why that's bad.
TL;dr: Bad Richard, very bad.
I'm wasting a post here but: Irrelevant.