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31-01-2013, 07:41 PM (This post was last modified: 31-01-2013 07:49 PM by hedgehog648.)
RE: Salvation vs. actions

(31-01-2013 04:51 PM)Richard Stuckmeyer Wrote:  

(31-01-2013 03:12 PM)hedgehog648 Wrote:  
Ah Jesus the sinless wonder.

Except he committed a few sins in the Bible.

Shame really.

Interesting how "murder" becomes "manslaughter" in your mind if committed by a Born Again. It's only manslaughter if the death was an accident - are you saying the Holy Spirit takes control of the Born Agains body and murders people with it in every one of these cases?

Anyway, a god who allows people into paradise no matter what they do as long as they accept their free all access pass by sacrificing their critical thinking abilities is not a god I am interested in knowing.

I'm trying to remain civil even tho you arent, so I'll respond to your mockery.
You are stating your opinion of Jesus as fact so I will do the same. Jesus never committed even one sin. Please name one.\\Obviously, as you have no legal training you dont know the difference between murder and manslaughter. Maybe you should look it up before you talk out of your ass.
Good. because God has no interest in a fool like you.


The Sins of Jesus Christ:

According to the many laws of God, becoming "unclean" was a sin. See Leviticus 5:2-3 - "Or if a person touches any unclean thing, he also shall be unclean and guilty. Or if he touches human uncleanness - whatever uncleanness with which a man may be defiled, and he is unaware of it - when he realises it, then he shall be guilty." Then Leviticus 5:5-6 - "And it shall be, when he shall be guilty in one of these things, that he shall confess that he hath sinned in that thing: And he shall bring his trespass offering unto the Lord for his sin which he hath sinned, a female from the flock, a lamb or a kid of the goats, for a sin offering; and the priest shall make an atonement for him concerning his sin."


Now see Leviticus 13:3 - "And the priest shall look on the plague in the skin of the flesh: and when the hair in the plague is turned white, and the plague in sight be deeper than the skin of his flesh, it is a plague of leprosy: and the priest shall look on him, and pronounce him unclean." Also Leviticus 13:8 - "And if the priest see that, behold, the scab spreadeth in the skin, then the priest shall pronounce him unclean: it is a leprosy." Later, Leviticus 13:45 - "And the leper in whom the plague is, his clothes shall be rent, and his head bare, and he shall put a covering upon his upper lip, and shall cry, Unclean, unclean."


So it should be pretty clear that leprosy is considered to be unclean, yes? A Jew like Jesus would be bound to this law, as in the New Testament Jesus says that he has come not to abolish the Law but to fulfill it. So if Jesus were to touch a person with leprosy, he would become unclean, and would have committed a sin.

Sin 1) Matthew 8:2-3 - "And, behold, there came a leper and worshipped him, saying, Lord, if thou wilt, thou canst make me clean. And Jesus put forth his hand, and touched him, saying, I will; be thou clean. And immediately his leprosy was cleansed."



When Jesus touched the man, the man did not become clean until after Jesus had spoken. Therefore Jesus became unclean by touching a leper.


So now we move to Numbers 19:11 - "He that toucheth the dead body of any man shall be unclean seven days." And Numbers 19:14 - "This is the law, when a man dieth in a tent: all that come into the tent, and all that is in the tent, shall be unclean seven days."


Now before we move on to Sin 2, note this phrasing from the book of John:John 11:11-13 "These things said he: and after that he saith unto them, Our friend Lazarus sleepeth; but I go, that I may awake him out of sleep. Then said his disciples, Lord, if he sleep, he shall do well. Howbeit Jesus spake of his death: but they thought that he had spoken of taking of rest in sleep."



Also in several of Paul's letters, he uses the phrase of being asleep to denote death. So now we move to the gospel of Mark:


Sin 2) Mark 5:35-41 - "While he yet spake, there came from the ruler of the synagogue's house certain which said, Thy daughter is dead: why troublest thou the Master any further? As soon as Jesus heard the word that was spoken, he saith unto the ruler of the synagogue, Be not afraid, only believe. And he suffered no man to follow him, save Peter, and James, and John the brother of James. And he cometh to the house of the ruler of the synagogue, and seeth the tumult, and them that wept and wailed greatly. And when he was come in, he saith unto them, Why make ye this ado, and weep? the damsel is not dead, but sleepeth. And they laughed him to scorn. But when he had put them all out, he taketh the father and the mother of the damsel, and them that were with him, and entereth in where the damsel was lying. And he took the damsel by the hand, and said unto her, Talitha cumi; which is, being interpreted, Damsel, I say unto thee, arise." Bear in mind, if the girl was merely asleep then why would this be considered a miracle? Further Luke confirms the girl was dead. Luke 8:54-55 - "And he put them all out, and took her by the hand, and called, saying, Maid, arise. And her spirit came again, and she arose straightway: and he commanded to give her meat."


Jesus was once again unclean, and hence a sinner. You asked for one, I gave you two - do you need any more?


Fair enough on the manslaughter point, I was referring only to Involuntary manslaughter - were you thinking of Voluntary manslaughter?
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Salvation vs. actions - Richard Stuckmeyer - 31-01-2013, 12:48 AM
RE: Salvation vs. actions - panterasr9 - 31-01-2013, 12:52 AM
RE: Salvation vs. actions - Bucky Ball - 31-01-2013, 04:47 PM
RE: Salvation vs. actions - Chas - 31-01-2013, 04:54 PM
RE: Salvation vs. actions - Chas - 31-01-2013, 05:26 PM
RE: Salvation vs. actions - Vosur - 31-01-2013, 05:59 PM
RE: Salvation vs. actions - fstratzero - 31-01-2013, 07:46 PM
RE: Salvation vs. actions - fstratzero - 31-01-2013, 08:58 PM
RE: Salvation vs. actions - pxlgirl - 31-01-2013, 09:37 PM
RE: Salvation vs. actions - fstratzero - 31-01-2013, 09:48 PM
RE: Salvation vs. actions - devilsadvoc8 - 01-02-2013, 07:17 AM
RE: Salvation vs. actions - panterasr9 - 31-01-2013, 09:10 PM
RE: Salvation vs. actions - Vosur - 31-01-2013, 06:53 PM
RE: Salvation vs. actions - Tartarus Sauce - 31-01-2013, 06:57 PM
RE: Salvation vs. actions - Xinoftruden - 31-01-2013, 12:53 AM
RE: Salvation vs. actions - Mr Woof - 31-01-2013, 05:52 PM
RE: Salvation vs. actions - Free Thought - 31-01-2013, 12:53 AM
RE: Salvation vs. actions - earmuffs - 31-01-2013, 02:53 AM
RE: Salvation vs. actions - FSM_scot - 31-01-2013, 06:56 AM
RE: Salvation vs. actions - pxlgirl - 31-01-2013, 07:23 AM
RE: Salvation vs. actions - pxlgirl - 31-01-2013, 08:49 PM
RE: Salvation vs. actions - tokutter - 31-01-2013, 09:57 AM
RE: Salvation vs. actions - devilsadvoc8 - 31-01-2013, 12:24 PM
RE: Salvation vs. actions - Impulse - 31-01-2013, 12:49 PM
RE: Salvation vs. actions - TheBeardedDude - 31-01-2013, 01:46 PM
RE: Salvation vs. actions - TheBeardedDude - 31-01-2013, 02:10 PM
RE: Salvation vs. actions - Bucky Ball - 31-01-2013, 02:15 PM
RE: Salvation vs. actions - panterasr9 - 31-01-2013, 02:21 PM
RE: Salvation vs. actions - hedgehog648 - 31-01-2013, 03:12 PM
RE: Salvation vs. actions - hedgehog648 - 31-01-2013 07:41 PM
RE: Salvation vs. actions - hedgehog648 - 01-02-2013, 08:05 AM
RE: Salvation vs. actions - guitar_nut - 31-01-2013, 03:19 PM
RE: Salvation vs. actions - DeavonReye - 31-01-2013, 03:23 PM
RE: Salvation vs. actions - Xinoftruden - 31-01-2013, 04:37 PM
RE: Salvation vs. actions - Bucky Ball - 31-01-2013, 05:22 PM
RE: Salvation vs. actions - Lucius - 31-01-2013, 07:29 PM
RE: Salvation vs. actions - hedgehog648 - 31-01-2013, 07:45 PM
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RE: Salvation vs. actions - pxlgirl - 31-01-2013, 09:57 PM
RE: Salvation vs. actions - fstratzero - 31-01-2013, 10:20 PM
RE: Salvation vs. actions - EvolutionKills - 31-01-2013, 11:23 PM
RE: Salvation vs. actions - Starcrash - 31-01-2013, 11:45 PM
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