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11-11-2016, 09:08 AM
Sam Harris about Trump



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11-11-2016, 09:15 AM
RE: Sam Harris about Trump
Yeah, listened to this earlier. As always, Sam delivers his points calmly and succinctly.

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11-11-2016, 09:53 AM (This post was last modified: 11-11-2016 09:56 AM by Lord Dark Helmet.)
RE: Sam Harris about Trump
He makes excellent points, especially about the whole Islam thing. It's even a common theme here. Anyone that says anything bad about Islam here is immediately attacked as a bigot. But the same people doing the attacking will disparage christians in the next breath. They use racist as a term to brow beat people into submission and people are absolutely sick of it. I've been called a racist more times than I can count on this website. My first wife was Indian/black and I have a daughter with her. Pisses me off more than I could explain.

The fear of unvetted refugees and gun rights (protection) were a major part of this election. Trump wasn't my first choice. There were better candidates in the pool and better that didn't even run. Trump said some crazy shit. But it doesn't matter if his plan protects us better, especially when the left won't even acknowledge the problem as Sam Harris says here. We expect the republicans in congress to keep him in check. Impeach him if he fails. The other choice (Hillary) would have let countless more unvetted refugees in and possibly lead to the shit we are seeing in Europe. As well as disarmed us with her supreme court picks. This was unacceptable to millions of people.

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11-11-2016, 10:09 AM
RE: Sam Harris about Trump
The pilot analogy is a good one but I'm not entirely with him on his analysis.

He mentions, at 16:25, that the exit polls divided the voters as:
Those whose primary concerns were terrorism and immigration ... were with Trump
Those concerned about economy and foreign policy ... were with Clinton.

But the Cracked article posted by Fireball and again posted more recently by Reducetarian indicates that economic factors underlie the US's version of Brexit... the exit polls simply indicate that many voters didn't understand that globalisation and the disintergration of the middle class and the de-socialisation of the working class came directly from Reagan economic policy... i.e. they were looking at the effect rather the cause.

In saying that there was a reaction to the SJW-left, that's undeniable ... but lumping in Sanders's version of left, the compassionate left, with the authoritarian left of the college-campus SJWs was un-nuanced, to say the least. They often do go together but they don't have to.

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11-11-2016, 11:19 AM
RE: Sam Harris about Trump
I'm always amazed at Fareed Zakaria's intellect, insight, and his ability to boil it down to a TV-length clip:




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11-11-2016, 11:32 AM
RE: Sam Harris about Trump
(11-11-2016 10:09 AM)DLJ Wrote:  In saying that there was a reaction to the SJW-left, that's undeniable ... but lumping in Sanders's version of left, the compassionate left, with the authoritarian left of the college-campus SJWs was un-nuanced, to say the least. They often do go together but they don't have to.

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That is true, but the problem is that the regressive left bleeds into liberalism. He has said some regressive left talking points(i.e white people don't understand what it is like to be poor)

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11-11-2016, 11:55 AM
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(11-11-2016 11:19 AM)RocketSurgeon76 Wrote:  I'm always amazed at Fareed Zakaria's intellect, insight, and his ability to boil it down to a TV-length clip:




See, why couldn't Sam Harris make a video like that. Half an hour? I gave up after a minute on Harris's video. I still don't know what he actually said. There's no need to talk so slowly. It would be far more efficient to write it down as a blog post.
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11-11-2016, 11:57 AM
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(11-11-2016 11:19 AM)RocketSurgeon76 Wrote:  I'm always amazed at Fareed Zakaria's intellect, insight, and his ability to boil it down to a TV-length clip:



This short one is also pretty good:



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11-11-2016, 12:15 PM
RE: Sam Harris about Trump
I think someone needs a hug.
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11-11-2016, 12:22 PM
RE: Sam Harris about Trump
(11-11-2016 11:57 AM)Vosur Wrote:  
(11-11-2016 11:19 AM)RocketSurgeon76 Wrote:  I'm always amazed at Fareed Zakaria's intellect, insight, and his ability to boil it down to a TV-length clip:



This short one is also pretty good:



You posted this before I was going to and I am upset I didn't do it earlier Dodgy

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