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28-02-2013, 02:19 PM
Sam Parnia: Erasing Death book and AWARE study
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I didn't knew where to post this so I post it here because according to Parnia this is science.

This is what came to me today from a friend who is a believer.
He told me about Sam Parnia, the director of AWARE study and the goal to prove that life continues after death.
Few days back Sam Parnia released his book Erasing Death which he claims this:

What happens when we die? This is one of the most enduring mysteries. While almost every person has their own opinion, most would ultimately shrug and say, "We can't bring people back from the dead to tell us, so we will never really know." But that is no longer true. Due to a revolution in the field of modern resuscitation science, particularly over the past decade, now we can. Today, by the lexicon of modern resuscitation science, death is in fact fully reversible. Death can no longer be considered an absolute moment but rather a process that can be reversed even many hours after it has taken place. How many hours? Well, we don't know precisely, but definitely long enough to say that many of the 1,514 lifeless bodies discovered in the water by the crew of the rescue ship RMS Carpathia two hours after the Titanic had sunk could have been brought back to life if the Titanic had sunk in 2012 instead of 1912. This is not a play on words; it is literal. A person can actually be brought back to life after the heart has stopped beating and the brain has flatlined. The reason? The discovery that it is only after a person actually dies that the cells in his body go through their own process of death, which can be manipulated through science.

As a result of these advances, we can now study what these people experience in that period after their heart stops and before they are brought back to life, which includes seeing a warm light, a beautiful compassionate being, or the sensation of separating from the body and seeing doctors and nurses or family members talking (an out-of-body experience). But rather than approaching this from a religious or philosophical point of view, we can now approach it from a scientific and medical perspective. This is what inspired me to write Erasing Death: The Science That Is Rewriting the Boundaries Between Life and Death -- to share what I and other doctors are discovering in hospitals all over the world.





Because we have never had a science for studying death, we have never had an objective method to go beyond the threshold of death and study what happens both biologically and from a mental and cognitive perspective. In the past, everything that we have dealt with has basically been hearsay and people's own beliefs. But recent scientific advances have produced a seismic shift in our understanding of death. This has challenged our perceptions of death as being absolutely implacable and final. And so now many of our strongest-held views regarding death are outdated. In fact, where death is concerned, two major revolutions have already begun -- one of accomplishment, and another of understanding. In short, medical science is rendering previously unthinkable outcomes entirely plausible. We may soon be rescuing people from death's clutches many more hours -- or even longer -- after they have actually died.

In my work, I don't study people who are near death. I study people who have objectively and medically died. Therefore, what we've come to understand is that the experience that these people have of going beyond the threshold of death, entering the period after death for the first few tens of minutes or hours of time, can provide us with an indication of what we're all likely to experience when we go through death.

Doctors and researchers in various fields are forging this new path. They have developed equipment to deliver more effective chest compressions to help restart people's hearts. Neurologists have started to discover that contrary to the old dogma, supposedly vegetative patients may actually be conscious and aware of their surroundings and can carry out mental tasks on command. They are also are creating cold packs to enwrap heart-stopped patients, machines to push chilled saline into their veins, injections to preserve the cells of the body, and drips that deliver oxygen carefully draped by a microscopic layer of fat to cells in the remotest parts of the body after death.

Contrary to common perception, brain and other cells in the body can live for many hours after a person dies. There are different estimates on how long cells can survive without a blood supply and oxygen after death: bone cells for four days, skin cells for 24 hours. Although the oxygen and energy supply to brain cells is depleted within four to five minutes, brain cells remain viable but non-functioning for up to eight hours. Therefore, if cooling process and post-resuscitation care is done correctly, the patient can come back to life without brain damage. Cooling and optimal post-resuscitation care is one of the dividing points between those who suffer brain damage after cardiac arrest and those who don't. If cooled, all those cells that were deprived of oxygen can again return to normal. Brain death, the other term commonly used to define death, is thus simply a state of irreversible and irretrievable brain damage either after someone dies due to circulatory arrest -- when the heart stops beating (which is how we have always considered death) -- or due to some other process that causes brain damage (while largely sparing the other organs) such as occurs with a massive head injury.

Cooling is the most revolutionary advancement in the last 10 years. It is a braking mechanism that slows brain cell deterioration after death, preserving the body and saving the brain from damage. It enables physicians to safely reverse the cellular processes that take place after death. Although national and international medical bodies give the highest recommendation for its use, only 50-60 percent of hospitals in the U.S., Britain and Germany have been shown to have "cooling" systems and fewer eligible patients actually receive it. In 2012, it has been estimated that only around three to seven percent of eligible patients in the U.S. received cooling therapy, which may contribute to unnecessary deaths and brain damage and persistent vegetative state in survivors.

In June 2001, a 30-year-old female was found in a forest at 8:32 a.m. following an overdose of medications. She was dead. Her body temperature had dropped from 37°C (98.5°F) to 20°C (68°F), meaning that she had been there for several hours. The ambulance team arrived at 8:49 a.m., administered CPR and shocked her heart using an automated external defibrillator, but she remained dead.

When the woman arrived at the hospital at 9:22 a.m., her body temperature was still 20°C (68°F), and her pupils were fixed and dilated and not reactive to light, signifying that she remained dead. The emergency doctors performed CPR and inserted a breathing tube and ventilated her lungs with an automatic ventilator, all while continuing chest compressions. The drugs adrenaline, amiodarone, and lidocaine were injected to restart the heart. Despite efforts to begin warming her up, the woman's temperature remained unchanged. The doctors then hooked her up to the ECMO machine to ensure optimal oxygen supply.

After six hours of treatment, her temperature returned to 32°C (89.5°F), and her heart restarted. Although she had remained physically dead for at least five to 10 hours overnight without any treatment, and then for a further six hours while undergoing lifesaving treatment in the hospital, the woman was able to recover and eventually walk out of the hospital without organ and brain damage three weeks later. Because she had been naturally cooled down during the time that her heart was stopped, her cells did not sustain permanent damage and were able to return to functionality once oxygen delivery was restored. This is what is commonly known as a Near Death Experience, though I now propose that such experiences be termed After Death Experiences because the woman had, in fact, died.

As an unintended consequence of developing these new lifesaving measures, science is also expanding our knowledge of death. By finding new means to save lives, we are also inadvertently finding new ways to investigate and answer fundamental questions about what happens to human consciousness, to what we might call the mind, the "self," or even the "soul," during and after death -- questions that, until recently, were considered subjects better suited to theology, philosophy or maybe even science fiction.

In view of the rapidly evolving progress in the field of resuscitation science and the ever-expanding gray-zone period after death, I believe it is important to include what we would refer to as human consciousness, psyche or soul in future definitions and considerations regarding death. It would also perhaps be wise to concentrate some of our future research efforts on understanding the state of human consciousness after death has started, since the evidence currently suggests that it is not lost immediately after death but continues to exist for at least some time afterward.

While we don't have all the answers, we do know that the once-held philosophical idea that there is no way back after death is not accurate and that there is a significant period of time after death in which death is fully reversible. The goalposts have moved, and we don't know where the science will take us. But exploring this in its totality opens up an unchartered frontier that affects us all.

This is from this: http://www.huffingtonpost.com/sam-parnia...67935.html

However this is not all Sam Parnia was on a radio show Coast to Coast:

Here Sam Parnia claims this (taken from a comment of a person who listened to it):

I just finished listening to Sam Parnia’s 2-hour interview on Coast to Coast AM, and I took some notes:

Parnia refers to his cases in the AWARE study as “actual death experiences” (ADEs), because “they have objectively died for minutes if not hours”. He explains that these people “really were dead”, they were corpses, i.e., they had no heart beat, no brain function – they were actually dead, “not clinically dead, not nearly dead”, no playing around with the meaning of the words, as Parnia put it.

Regarding reversing death, Parnia explained that the medicine has progressed so far that now the dead can be resuscitated “many hours” after death. The decay of cells is a process that begins after death occurs (both heart and brain function cease). There’s a window of about 8 hours in which “brain cells are still viable, but not functioning.” That’s the key here – brain cells are NOT FUNCTIONING. After that window expires, they are so damaged they cannot be revived again. Parnia realizes that if we’d had the technology and knowledge we do today to reverse the death process, that when the Titanic sank in 1912, we’d have been able to revive many of the 1500 that died in the freezing waters of the North Atlantic – especially because the cold temperatures slow the decay of brain cells and keep them viable for hours (when the rescue ship Carpathia arrived, those people had only been in the water for two hours, within the 8-hour window to get the brain functioning again).

“We have millions and millions of people now who have essentially gone to the other side, beyond the threshold of death, they’ve entered what would have been considered the afterlife period, and they’re coming back and telling us what they experienced.” He compares it to our ability now to send men to the moon who can come back and tell us about it. We now routinely overcome death, and the people he’s studying are “like astronauts – we send them out to explore this other dimension” – they are going to the other side, and they’re able to tell us what they’ve experienced on the other side of death – “is there an afterlife and what shape does it take, and that’s a new science that’s evolving for us.”

About the existence of the afterlife: “Until now there was no science that could take us beyond the threshold of death. The evidence is showing us that after a person dies, the psyche or soul is not annihilated, it continues to exist. Areas of the brain that cause us to be awake and alert switch off, but the soul is not annihilated just because we can’t see it [consciousness] on the outside.” Parnia describes the classic experience: Peaceful, seeing a bright light, or seeing a being of light that guides them through the experience, going to a beautiful place, seeing dead relatives who greet them. He said he finds the life review “fascinating because a person becomes their own judge – they feel the pain they caused other people,” inadvertently or purposely. “They judge their own actions. The being of light is guiding and educating them – over there it’s an educational experience, and when people come back they feel they’ve been given a second chance” to be more altruistic and loving. The experience has a positive transformational effect and gives them a new value system of the other dimension they’ve been to.

“Many people think that when people die, they’re suddenly going to know everything. What the study of people who have died is telling us more and more is that people take their own level of thought to the other dimension. And so therefore, to some people, actually, the purpose of life is to educate their thought and their understanding and perceptual level to a point where they can understand the realities of the other dimention better. To cut a long story short, I think that we don’t become annihilated. I think that certainly we’ve managed to push back the boundaries to many hours after death. We have clear evidence that consciousness continues. Therefore it would be difficult to argue that someone’s consciousness [as a product of and only within the brain] continues when their brain doesn’t function, when they’ve gone through death – but then at six hours suddenly it’s going to wither away. I think it does continue, and ideally, science will find a device, a machine that can actually directly measure, like we do with MRI in the brain, we can actually measure consciousness and thoughts, and then we can show it actually continues to exist. But until then, the evidence very much supports that it exists.” He summarizes, “We’re judged based on our actions here, and we’re reunited with loved ones come to greet us. Often we, some, not all of us, meet a being of light that guides us, it’s very much a domain of benevolence... the air of that area is benevolence and compassion, and it’s educational. The purpose is to learn the higher meaning to life, and that’s what we’re learning.”

Parnia explains that most people do not recall their other-dimensional experiences because in the process of bringing people back to life, after so much time without oxygen and blood supply, the brain becomes very swollen and inflamed, it’s burning up, it’s a very unnatural state that can cause brain damage, but with the proper care, it can be avoided to a great degree, and thus there should be more preservation of the brain and less memory loss.

In the AWARE study, Parnia says only 10% (400 or so) actually survived their cardiac arrest. One case for sure (veridical evidence) strongly suggests consciousness continues to exist after death. He states only about 7% in his study – those people who were truly DEAD, not nearly dead – who survived could recall their actual-death-experience. And the percentage who had the OBE component – able to perceive their physical surroundings out-of-body – was much lower (about 1% according to his NPR interview). Work/the study is still continuing, and they are adapting the experiment as they learn more along the way.

Parnia stated an interesting concept – that the physical body is composed of atoms, but the consciousness/psyche/soul might be made up of (subatomic particles?) – it's so subtle we can’t perceive it with our five senses, and that we can’t yet measure or detect it with the technology we currently have available to us.

“Many of these people tell of incredible, profound experiences even though the brain was not functioning, which tells us that the mind/psyche/soul may be a separate entity, independent of the brain, but uses the brain as a modulator” as a way to show or express itself to the outside world. He mentioned one case, as told/verified by the attending doctor, where a man (having an OBE during the ADE) actually READ THE DOCTOR’S THOUGHTS, not just heard and saw what was going on. “These cases all add weight that there is something astonishing going on.”

Indications of AWARE study:
• We need to implement better, more sophisticated brain resuscitation techniques so that the person doesn’t suffer (due to the swelling and inflammation of the brain – an unnatural brain state). We have to remember there’s a human entity in there!
• We want to learn the character and quality of the death experience when a person has gone into the afterlife and returned.
• We need to test claims of OBEs using visual targets placed high near ceiling visible from high vantage point, not from below (this is being adjusted as they learn what works and what doesn’t).
• We’re opening up a whole new field of study that will benefit humanity on many levels.

He explains how personal beliefs result in the way someone interprets what they experienced – they’ll say they saw God or Jesus or an angel, and when Parnia probed further, they described what they saw, and even children with no concept of death described they met a being of love. “There is a universal theme of a being of love and compassion that is God-like” – when they come back it’s just described in different ways based on one’s cultural background and beliefs.

Great interview, do listen if you can access it! I think someone above provided a link. The tide is turning...

Taken from: http://forum.mind-energy.net/skeptiko-po...ew-13.html

Means this that the believers are right and there is a soul after all? Or its just jumping to conclusions?? Thanks for reading this long question and please reply.
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28-02-2013, 02:28 PM
RE: Sam Parnia: Erasing Death book and AWARE study
Didn't read it all but reviving a "dead" person only shows the brain can be reactivated if not damaged by hypoxia through the benefit of hypothermia. We now routinely treat patients revived from cardiac arrest with a period of hypothermia. This is not evidence of a soul or an "afterlife"
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28-02-2013, 02:51 PM
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Ok I should have read it all before responding but I still see no evidence of soul or afterlife beyond the fact that our brain cells may continue functioning for a while after cardiac arrest. Does this mean we shouldn't do an autopsy too soon despite pressure from the CSI folks?? Fascinating topic!
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28-02-2013, 02:57 PM
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I'm pretty sure that the part of the brain which causes these out of body experiences can be stimulated by machine now. Some people have larger or more active section causing these experiences, and are more prone to having them. I've heard something about Dawkins trying it out, but that part of his brain is almost non-existent, and the results were less interesting than others with more religious brains. Sorry I don't have a link, but I'm sure a google search will help.
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28-02-2013, 03:12 PM
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Fascinating subject. Reminds me of the Tibetan book of the dead in some ways. Gonna hunt down the interview on Coast to Coast and have a listen.

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28-02-2013, 03:34 PM (This post was last modified: 28-02-2013 03:44 PM by houseofcantor.)
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Short answer: no.
Long answer: also no.

So there's some kind of sensory input after the senses cease function? There's some kind of memory that is non-neural? No. So what you got is the equivalent of dream studies. And besides, if it's on Coast to Coast, it's a conspiracy. Tongue

Although here's a link... http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=bMOywUkk_Ng

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28-02-2013, 03:41 PM
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(28-02-2013 03:34 PM)houseofcantor Wrote:  And besides, if it's on Coast to Coast, it's a conspiracy. Tongue
Actually ive been digging around just and come up with this video.





Ive googled all the speakers and all seem to be respected scientists in their fields. Its not about religion either lol... if you watch the video you will see that most of the research done comes from a wide spectrum of beliefs from people who are religious to atheists. Apparently the study also encompasses children under the age of 5.

I wouldn't be so quick to judge without actually doing some research.

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28-02-2013, 03:45 PM
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Bemore - fuck off. Big Grin

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28-02-2013, 04:00 PM
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Um... why do they think these remembered events are happening while the person is dead, outside of the brain, and not simply being recorded or created by the brain, either while it was dying, or afterward when it is in a fucked up state?

I bet if we had a complete understanding of the brain, you could potentially create a memory of an even that never actually happened, but the person would be convinced it had.

I just don't see how any of it is evidence of a body - mind duality.
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28-02-2013, 04:32 PM
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Another fascinating interview ive just listened to. Apparently it is unfeasible to how people actually have memories once the brain has flatlined, seeing as it cannot actually perform once it has ceased functioning.

From what I have seen and read up to now it seems he is genuinely open minded and is striving to produce a scientific method that can either prove or disprove near death experiences.

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