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13-07-2016, 06:33 AM
RE: Sanders Endorses Clinton
(12-07-2016 11:47 PM)bemore Wrote:  Im with vosur on this one. As I am also an outsider to your political system I find it horrifying and also sickening how Sanders, who's whole platform revolved around socialism, on reeling back in wall street and corporate control and attempting to close the ever growing gap between the rich and the poor..... how he then turns around and not only supports but endorses a woman who's campaign has been largely funded by the elements he allegedly opposes.

I liken it to an atheist campaigning against a preacher, who then turns around and supports that preacher, even though they have massive opposing belief's and views. I am also disappointed that a forum of logical minded people do not see this, or maybe you do and let it fall by the wayside by saying "What's the alternative, he has to do it"

I don't know what the alternative is, nor do I know how two people (sanders and clinton) can both even stand under the same platform /label (democrat) and gather support for two different sides of the same coin, it's madness. It would be like Jeremy Corbyn (the british equivalent of sanders and leader of the labour party) opposing austerity and then coming out and campaigning for a new leader who wants austerity.

Again, it just doesn't make any sense whatsoever. The word "democrat" does not even make any sense...... sure you have a vote, which is of course what democracy is about, the people choosing. Your not being given the choice between living and dying though. Your "whats the alternative, he has to do it" is like giving you a choice between being stabbed or shot to death, sure you get a vote but the end result is bollocks.

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13-07-2016, 10:32 AM
Sanders Endorses Clinton
It doesn't look like Hillary is doing as well as some might think.
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13-07-2016, 10:41 AM
RE: Sanders Endorses Clinton
(12-07-2016 11:47 PM)bemore Wrote:  Im with vosur on this one. As I am also an outsider to your political system I find it horrifying and also sickening how Sanders, who's whole platform revolved around socialism, on reeling back in wall street and corporate control and attempting to close the ever growing gap between the rich and the poor..... how he then turns around and not only supports but endorses a woman who's campaign has been largely funded by the elements he allegedly opposes.

I'm pretty sure her donations from Wall Street are noticeably below 10% of her total donations. I mean yeah, it's a lot of total dollars, but I don't think it's accurate to say her "campaign has been largely funded" by them.
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13-07-2016, 09:32 PM
RE: Sanders Endorses Clinton
(13-07-2016 10:41 AM)RobbyPants Wrote:  
(12-07-2016 11:47 PM)bemore Wrote:  Im with vosur on this one. As I am also an outsider to your political system I find it horrifying and also sickening how Sanders, who's whole platform revolved around socialism, on reeling back in wall street and corporate control and attempting to close the ever growing gap between the rich and the poor..... how he then turns around and not only supports but endorses a woman who's campaign has been largely funded by the elements he allegedly opposes.

I'm pretty sure her donations from Wall Street are noticeably below 10% of her total donations. I mean yeah, it's a lot of total dollars, but I don't think it's accurate to say her "campaign has been largely funded" by them.
He said Wall Street and corporate control. You'll find that much more than 10% of her campaign donations originate from those sources.

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13-07-2016, 09:57 PM
RE: Sanders Endorses Clinton
Been saying it since March time-frame. I'll be voting for Gary Johnson....again. Anyone who votes for a Republican or Democrat this election should be ashamed of themselves. Voting for the lesser of two evils is still a vote for evil, you twits.

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13-07-2016, 10:15 PM
RE: Sanders Endorses Clinton
(13-07-2016 09:57 PM)Dark Light Wrote:  Been saying it since March time-frame. I'll be voting for Gary Johnson....again. Anyone who votes for a Republican or Democrat this election should be ashamed of themselves. Voting for the lesser of two evils is still a vote for evil, you twits.

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13-07-2016, 11:41 PM
RE: Sanders Endorses Clinton
(13-07-2016 09:57 PM)Dark Light Wrote:  Been saying it since March time-frame. I'll be voting for Gary Johnson....again. Anyone who votes for a Republican or Democrat this election should be ashamed of themselves. Voting for the lesser of two evils is still a vote for evil, you twits.

In American politics, particularly for the presidency, it has ALWAYS been a vote for the lesser of two evils.

NPR looks at Johnson and third party nominees
http://www.npr.org/2016/07/12/485275509/...ing-better

Liberterian Party on the issues
http://www.ontheissues.org/Libertarian_Party.htm

Some of these are incredible destabilizing bordering on dangerous. Libertarians would turn the society into a giant free for all. A twit-eat-twit world if you will.

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14-07-2016, 03:25 AM (This post was last modified: 14-07-2016 07:36 AM by DLJ.)
RE: Sanders Endorses Clinton
For those who haven't watched it yet:





Yup. Smart politics and some careful wording from both players.

From a Brit perspective, it was like watching John Major (Conservative) and Neil Kinnock (Socialist) supporting each other... thus isolating the extremists in both parties.

C for Clinton/Conservative; S for Sanders/Socialist

Consider

This is the interesting part for me, watching from a distance. Is this a meta-strategy to monopolise US politics for the next 30 years?

Having heard Bernie's stump speech(es) many times (just change the name of the location and add a small bird for variety), it was notable how close this speech was to the earlier ones... just changing "I believe" to "Hilary believes".

My subconscious pattern-recognition software registered some differences and I'll do a comparison later but that's evidence of the DNC's ambition to swing far enough left to capture the Bernie voters. Someone must have woken up (or been woken up).

It could have been very different because they had the nomination in the bag and were probably writing her speech to swing right to reach out to the Trump voters.

I think that's still likely to happen to some degree and it's that degree that will be worth analysing when it happens.

(12-07-2016 11:47 PM)bemore Wrote:  ...
I liken it to an atheist campaigning against a preacher, who then turns around and supports that preacher, even though they have massive opposing belief's and views. ...

I think it's more like, "I endorse this preacher because the preacher believes the same as me: that god does not belong in politics"
:atheist winks to his supporters, drops mic and shakes the preacher's hand with an ominously threatening squeeze:

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15-07-2016, 10:39 AM
RE: Sanders Endorses Clinton
(13-07-2016 11:41 PM)Full Circle Wrote:  
(13-07-2016 09:57 PM)Dark Light Wrote:  Been saying it since March time-frame. I'll be voting for Gary Johnson....again. Anyone who votes for a Republican or Democrat this election should be ashamed of themselves. Voting for the lesser of two evils is still a vote for evil, you twits.

In American politics, particularly for the presidency, it has ALWAYS been a vote for the lesser of two evils.

NPR looks at Johnson and third party nominees
http://www.npr.org/2016/07/12/485275509/...ing-better

Liberterian Party on the issues
http://www.ontheissues.org/Libertarian_Party.htm

Some of these are incredible destabilizing bordering on dangerous. Libertarians would turn the society into a giant free for all. A twit-eat-twit world if you will.

Between the three options here Johnson is by far and large the least dangerous candidates even if You don't agree with all of the Libertarian philosophies. Flip on the news. People at at each othess throats more now than any other time since at least the 60s. Trump and Clinton each excerbate the issues.

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