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26-10-2012, 09:58 PM (This post was last modified: 26-10-2012 10:02 PM by fstratzero.)
RE: Scared to stop believing
(25-10-2012 08:54 PM)onedream Wrote:  
(25-10-2012 08:48 PM)Vosur Wrote:  Are there any questions you want to have answered before making your decision? If so, ask away. Sleepy

Well...here's a question:

It's about evolution. Creationists claim there are no "transitional species."

You know...species that show a transition from one species to another; Macro Evolution.

What say y'all?

I say investigate! Yet to spare you some time... The best part of science is the more you try to disprove things, the more you add to the knowledge of our world. Of course that's assuming that you use the scientific method, and accept the errors you might make.







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27-10-2012, 02:41 PM
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"He blindly abandons himself to those whom chance has given him for guides; he confides to them the care of thinking for him, and even makes a merit of his own indolence and credulity."

D'holbach on how people begin to rely on others to think for them, and feels that those ideas are his own.

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28-10-2012, 12:24 PM
RE: Scared to stop believing
(26-10-2012 09:58 PM)fstratzero Wrote:  
(25-10-2012 08:54 PM)onedream Wrote:  Well...here's a question:

It's about evolution. Creationists claim there are no "transitional species."

You know...species that show a transition from one species to another; Macro Evolution.

What say y'all?

I say investigate! Yet to spare you some time... The best part of science is the more you try to disprove things, the more you add to the knowledge of our world. Of course that's assuming that you use the scientific method, and accept the errors you might make.







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28-10-2012, 12:48 PM (This post was last modified: 28-10-2012 12:52 PM by AlanWestfall.)
RE: Scared to stop believing
(24-10-2012 11:11 PM)onedream Wrote:  I'm an old friend of Seth's. (The Thinking Atheist)

In fact, he taught me a lot of what I know about radio.

I'm a Christian radio professional NOW. But in the last year, I've realized the Bible is not accurate. I'm not ready to stop believing in God. But I don't believe the Bible is perfect.

I can't talk to my wife. She gets scared and freaks out. I have to clear my history after visiting this site.

Just here for encouragement. Thanks for listening.

Welcome. I've been there, believe me, I've been there. It took me a very long time, and I had to do it on my own. I can definitely empathize. Smile

PS: All browsers that I know of today have an "Incognito Mode" that will suspend recording anything into your history. That might help. I might also suggest using Tor. You can put it on a keychain USB. Smile
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29-10-2012, 09:37 AM
RE: Scared to stop believing
(29-10-2012 04:59 PM)GirlyMan Wrote:  
(29-10-2012 04:24 PM)Erxomai Wrote:  Someone tell Denicio to get in here. He has experience of dealing with a wife who is pretty unhappy about his atheism. And he has been involved in the CCM industry as well. Plus, he's the Dude, and the Dude abides.

You obviously ain't been married have you Erx? Don't go kicking unfamiliar beehives looking for honey. ... Just sayin' is all.

Did you spend the day drunk, Bob? That's why I didn't offer to give any advice. But I know Dennis has some experience in this realm and could be very sympathetic.

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29-10-2012, 11:50 AM (This post was last modified: 29-10-2012 11:54 AM by onedream.)
RE: Scared to stop believing
My wife and I talked again last night for two hours about all of my questions and doubts.

She's afraid that I'm going to "Become an atheist" and use my newfound "Lack of morality" as an excuse to leave her and the kids.

First of all, I don't believe morality comes from God. Holy crap. Read the Bible. Rape, incest, genocide, misogyny, killing your own kid...not values I want to emulate.

Nothing could be further from the truth in regard to me "leaving her just because I suddenly believe something different about God." I told her that:

1. I'm not an atheist.
2. Even if I become an atheist, I still love her and want to spend the rest of my life with her. And I made a promise to forsake all others 'til death do us part. Why would a non-belief in God suddenly release me from morality and being a good person by keeping my word?

You see...she knows of a friend who became an atheist and used "not being accountable to God anymore" as a moral justification to have an affair and leave his wife.

My opinion? If you use atheism as a justification to cheat, then you weren't a good person in the first place. And you're not a moral person (with or without a God). And go screw yourself.
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29-10-2012, 11:57 AM
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Awesome, you get it!

It really boggles the old noggin as to how people can actually believe that without god in your life you become this hideously evil beast of evil. It makes no sense. Like we are all kids in a room supervised by adults and as soon as they leave we are going to raid the candy drawer. (murder and rape being candy obviously)

It always gives me a bit of a chill, because to me if a person can't see a reason not to murder people without the punishment of hell... they might be dangerously close to murdering people.

By the way, welcome to the forum.

No matter which way you turn it doesn't bug me, so long as you understand a few things. One already you've got down pat. Religion is not equal to morality.

Another would be that religion and politics/school are like water and oil.

And yet another is that whether you're religious or not you should treat everyone fairly. That includes letting your kids make their choices free from guilt and persecution. Unless they are like little evil jerks who do horrible things.

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29-10-2012, 12:11 PM
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I have been irreligious for about 15 years, I've been with the same woman for 9 years, married for 5. I have never cheated, even when my job had us be apart for weeks, and months at a time, and I had the opportunity to do so. Commitment to someone you love has nothing to do with God or religion. If your going to cheat, or leave, it is all about the people involved. If not then Christians (among others) wouldn't be cheating and leaving one another so often.

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29-10-2012, 12:30 PM
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(29-10-2012 11:50 AM)onedream Wrote:  You see...she knows of a friend who became an atheist and used "not being accountable to God anymore" as a moral justification to have an affair and leave his wife.

Huh? ... Blink ... that don't scan, nothing moral about that. Sounds more like he was using atheism as a justification to become a hedonist. That scans, but hedonism is ultimately empty and without gratification.

I don't think you'll have much of a problem with the wife. Love transcends metaphysics. The job, however, is more complicated. Dunno what I'd do about that. Personally I'm convinced that these multimillionaire mega preachers don't believe any of the bullshit they are preaching and are just narcissists in it for the money and attention. 'Course that's no different than hedonism. Guess you could bring up your concerns with your listeners and have an upfront and open discussion with them. Your ethics would still be intact and if you weren't disingenuous think you'd probably keep your job. Especially if the show became even more popular as a result. Think it's risky, though.

Good luck!

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29-10-2012, 12:53 PM
RE: Scared to stop believing
(29-10-2012 11:57 AM)lucradis Wrote:  Awesome, you get it!

It really boggles the old noggin as to how people can actually believe that without god in your life you become this hideously evil beast of evil. It makes no sense. Like we are all kids in a room supervised by adults and as soon as they leave we are going to raid the candy drawer. (murder and rape being candy obviously)

It always gives me a bit of a chill, because to me if a person can't see a reason not to murder people without the punishment of hell... they might be dangerously close to murdering people.

By the way, welcome to the forum.

No matter which way you turn it doesn't bug me, so long as you understand a few things. One already you've got down pat. Religion is not equal to morality.

Another would be that religion and politics/school are like water and oil.

And yet another is that whether you're religious or not you should treat everyone fairly. That includes letting your kids make their choices free from guilt and persecution. Unless they are like little evil jerks who do horrible things.


RIGHT!!!

I always hear "Well if there's no God, what's keeping you from just raping and murdering everyone you hate?"

WTF!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!???????????? Really? This assumes that I want to rape and murder as a default. Oh, but thank God he's there to keep me from doing it.
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