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02-08-2012, 10:34 AM (This post was last modified: 02-08-2012 12:54 PM by FSM_scot.)
Science Proves God

Science Proves God


When we set out to explain why and how something happens, we must use the evidence, facts and experience available to us if we are to arrive at a logical conclusion. Using available evidence, experience, facts, observation and experimentation, we know that the universe had a beginning and that before that beginning there was no universe and therefore there was nothing. We know this because of the Law of Causality (for every cause there is an effect and for every effect there is a cause). Based on this law, we can use the following logic:

1. The universe exists.
2. The universe had a beginning.
3. Before the beginning of the universe, there was no universe.
4. Since there was no universe, there was nothing.
5. Since the universe does exist, it came from nothing.
6. Nothing comes from nothing by any natural cause.
7. Therefore the cause of the universe is supernatural.
8. Life exists.
9. Life always comes from pre-existing life of the same kind (the Law of Biogenesis).
10. Life cannot come from nonliving matter by any natural cause.
11. Since life does exist, the cause of life is supernatural.

Many people with a naturalistic worldview assume everything can be explained by natural causes. From the beginning, they reject the possibility of a supernatural cause. Because of this they are left with no scientifically valid answers to the question of how the universe could come from nothing, which is impossible by any natural cause of which we are aware. Many answers have been proposed that go beyond the realm of known evidence, experience, facts, observation and experimentation and therefore enter the realm of fiction.

The same logic applies to life. Using available evidence, experience, facts, observation and experimentation, we know that life only comes from pre-existing life of the same kind.

“Spontaneous generation (the emergence of life from nonliving matter) has never been observed. All observations have shown that life comes only from life. This has been observed so consistently it is called the Law of Biogenesis. Evolution conflicts with this scientific law by claiming that life came from nonliving matter through natural processes” (From "In the Beginning" by Walt Brown).

Life never comes from non-living matter by any natural cause of which we are aware.

Now that we have seen proof that God exists, using logic based on known evidence, experience, facts, observation and experimentation, we need to see if He has revealed Himself to us. In the Holy Bible there are hundreds of prophecies given by God who is speaking in the first person. In both Bible and secular history we find that those prophecies have been accurately fulfilled. No other writing on earth comes close to doing this! Only God can accurately reveal the future, ergo, He is the author of the Holy Bible. Within the pages of the Holy Bible He reveals His nature, our nature, His relationship to us, our need for salvation and His plan of salvation for us.

The reason the universe and life cannot come from nothing by any natural cause, but can come from a supernatural cause is because God is the self-existent creator of everything and everyone. He is not subject to His creation. He created it and sustains it. It is a mistake to judge God by human standards and human perspectives. God reveals that He is omnipotent, omniscient and omnipresent.

If you are interested in more detailed proof, read, “Evidence that Demands a Verdict” by Josh McDowell.

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02-08-2012, 12:48 PM
RE: Science Proves God
I've seen this shit posted here many times.

So which one of you lovely people wants to cover this one.

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02-08-2012, 12:51 PM
RE: Science Proves God
How about a simple response?

No.
Science doesn't say that.

“Science is simply common sense at its best, that is, rigidly accurate in observation, and merciless to fallacy in logic.”
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02-08-2012, 12:52 PM
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02-08-2012, 12:58 PM
RE: Science Proves God
OP post: Today 10:34 AM
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He logged out the same minute he posted this bullshit. Nothing to see here, move on.

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02-08-2012, 01:00 PM
RE: Science Proves God
Shit. I keep writing stuff but then deleting it.
There's just not a lot to say that a moron will understand ... why bother? Undecided

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02-08-2012, 01:06 PM (This post was last modified: 02-08-2012 01:38 PM by elemts.)
RE: Science Proves God
Is it good or bad that I saw point #1 and thought "perhaps....I guess I'll accept that (at least for the sake of argument)" and saw #2 and thought "I can't say if that's true or not". And then figured the rest wouldn't matter because if I didn't agree with the first two, the others would all fall apart.
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02-08-2012, 01:21 PM (This post was last modified: 02-08-2012 02:26 PM by Bucky Ball.)
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Of course every single line is wrong, for many reasons. I've been working on another long article, which I think I will call something like "Are we 'entitled' to a god ?", (or maybe "why people think they're 'entited' to god(s), just because it , (supposedly) finishes/completes their arguments/equations/needs/uses), (as in "evidence that demands a verdict"), Or "The Marginal Utility of God", or something. It's not ready yet, so I'll pass also, and see what happens.

The premise also belies the person's theological ignorance. Faith is a virtue, (capritiously), granted by their holy spirit. Since we live in a scientific age , they need to fit the whole mess into a scientific paradigm. It's impossible, in the end, as the claims are not testable, thus also belies a total lack of knowledge of what science does, how it works, and is all about.

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02-08-2012, 01:37 PM
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Y'know, I think he/she has a point.

I'm wavering.

If she/he comes back on the third day...

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02-08-2012, 02:10 PM
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ahem

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