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20-06-2012, 11:11 AM
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Wow! A topic on science. I can't help but think how awesome it would have been if this was posted in, well, the SCIENCE FUCKING SECTION.

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20-06-2012, 11:16 AM
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(20-06-2012 11:11 AM)NotSoVacuous Wrote:  Wow! A topic on science. I can't help but think how awesome it would have been if this was posted in, well, the SCIENCE FUCKING SECTION.

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20-06-2012, 11:18 AM
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Ha - that's nerdly cute - what is it some kind of sloth? Smile

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20-06-2012, 11:36 AM
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(20-06-2012 12:53 AM)houseofcantor Wrote:  From the link...
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While the BaBar findings are more sensitive than previous studies of these decays, they are not statistically significant enough to claim they present a clear break from the Standard Model.
Do you read this stuff to get something out of it, or to put stuff into it? I'm thinking the latter.


I'm thinkin they ran outta pills over ta Prophet Pharmacy. Are ya sure ya don't have any extras layin in the couch cushions ?

BTW, I just mass emailed all da labs in the UCAL system ... tol em they was laid off...by a prophet. I see some white coats comin' up da walk, with somethin dat has dese long tie thingys.

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20-06-2012, 12:33 PM
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Egor, is this a sign of the end for Christianity? or the effects of basic forces and principles of motion coupled with corroded structural members?

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20-06-2012, 01:50 PM
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(20-06-2012 11:05 AM)kim Wrote:  
(20-06-2012 10:15 AM)Erxomai Wrote:  As for me, I'm glad to hear that Science is dead. I never really understood it to begin with. Now we can get back to more important topics like who would win a race, Superman or The Flash? And does anyone really think Aquaman is a relevant superhero? Ooooh...you can summon plankton with your mind...big deal!

Well, Superman is pretty and all... but the Flash's outfit is pretty sweet, too. I'm gonna go with tradition & cause I think Superman's flying would be fastest.
Aquaman - he's ok -let's face it he kind of just fills that whole underwater niche. I think you envy the possibility that he might get to make out with the Little Mermaid... so, that may be kind of a dick fight on your part. No judgement -just sayin'. Shy

I tried to have sex with a mermaid once, but once her clothes came off, it was difficult to figure out the logistics.
It was no great loss, she smelled a bit fishy anyway.
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20-06-2012, 04:34 PM
 
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(20-06-2012 04:01 AM)Filox Wrote:  Egor, this shows how science makes progress, how science evolves and how it changes in the light of new discoveries. This is the definition of science. If anything, this shows us how science just became even more scientific, not dead. You have missed the point of science, scientific progress and you missed it by 180°.

Try to read what we said about "science" in the last few months...

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I’m not the first one to claim science is dead. The fact is it’s too expensive and impractical to gain any more knowledge than we already have. I’m not talking about technology; that may well continue to advance for some time. I’m talking about theoretical understanding.

(20-06-2012 05:15 AM)morondog Wrote:  Seems like an example of living science to me Wink

The most exciting results are when an experiment contradicts theory. Then you know something really interesting is going on, something that no one's ever thought about before. Those guys must be feeling so awesome right now Smile Not every day you get to break the standard model Big Grin

Frankly, I think it’s the Vaseline before the shaft. They’re not going to find the Higgs boson and they know it. I think they’re just making shit up now to justify continued grants for the use of the LHC. Lots of money, lots of jobs.

(20-06-2012 10:15 AM)Erxomai Wrote:  As for me, I'm glad to hear that Science is dead. I never really understood it to begin with. Now we can get back to more important topics like who would win a race, Superman or The Flash? And does anyone really think Aquaman is a relevant superhero? Ooooh...you can summon plankton with your mind...big deal!

Might as well.

(20-06-2012 10:39 AM)kim Wrote:  Egs! Haven't heard from you in a while - checked your site the other day but you hadn't reviewed anther book. Sounds like you've been looking for some kind of answers to things that seem to interest you.

Whatever. I’ve been working on my latest novel, and I just haven’t had a lot of interest in other things. I’ve written the review for “The Innocent.” And we’re going to do the video tonight, I think. I’ll probably be announcing it in the next week or so. There’s really no hurry. I’m slowly building my presence on a lot of different forums and groups, and that takes time.

And I’ve got the time. It’s probably going to be a year before this new novel is ready to publish. It’s about a post-grad astronomy student and her friends who discover an interstellar comet is going to hit the earth in 11 months. Absolutely nothing can be done about it, so the book explores the sociological implications of humanity facing its own extinction. In the end, she finds a way out, but it’s not what you might expect.

I got the idea from debates in this group, actually. Atheists never think about the implications of utter annihilation. They always think about what they’ll leave behind for others and all that, never thinking that all those others will be completely annihilated, too. So I extrapolate that to a physical world-wide event: What if the world was about to be turned into a new asteroid belt orbiting the sun so that all of human history was in vain?

I don’t talk about atheism or God directly in the book, but underneath that’s what’s being shown: If there is no God, human history is pointless.

Right now, I’m far more interested in writing that novel than in churning out book reviews as fast as I can.

And here’s something else I’ve been debating: should I really be writing reviews for famous books? I’m thinking about limiting my selection to self-published books only. It would be fitting with the whole new world of publishing.

Nevertheless, I have The Innocent, and the one I’m currently reading by Lincoln Child: “The Third Gate.” Then I may switch to self-pub books only. After all, it’s just as hard to find a book worth reading from the bix six as it is these days from self-published authors.


Quote:I don't think I have an answer to the three questions you asked, other than more questions, but I think that might just create a rabbit hole -boring. Shy

I know what I'm going to do with the time I have. If you are inquiring about humanity as a collective, then I would have to point out that "we" can't seem to get our shit together about now, let alone worry about some far off time between now and when the planet is swallowed by the Sun. I think that worrying about a future time is at the very least procrastination, if not down right avoiding taking responsibility to take care of the now time.

I don't know what is up with near death experiences - I guess people are near death and they continue to live through that experience. Cool, huh? Everyone's life experience is individual as I can only think their death, or near death, must be. An "NDE" happened to my Dad right in front of me - pretty cool too because he was hooked up to an eeg. Hell, I just thought he was nodding off, and then it was almost like he was awaking from a nap -his "mini death" was charted to be 17 seconds in length -quite long. He noted no experience other than he thought he fell asleep. He was charmingly embarrassed about it. Months later he died - almost five years ago, now... I love him still and will until I die. How long love continues is the only life expectancy or future to really care about... for me, anyway.

I don't know that humans have precognition, if one does, then maybe that person could answer your other questions to your greater satisfaction. I do know that if we worry about, and work on what is going on right now things will get done. On the other hand, if we worry about what "could be" or "might be" or expect a "right now" explanation of something that has not yet happened, we will just be spinning our wheels into a rut and nothing will get done.

I suppose it's a matter of choosing to live right now. I know the future will happen when it does... that's my personal instance of precognition. Tongue
Best to stick with what one knows... and then learn more.

Well that’s just the point: What if you spent your life studying the Standard Model? You thought you knew something for all those years only to find out the information you were getting was bullshit.

We might as well be reading comic books. Honestly, what else do we need? A cure for heart disease, cancer, to live three hundred years, what…we’d have to stop having babies if we did that. We might as well be living in the Dark Ages. Cell phones are nice, but most of my life I lived without them. Computers are nice, but again, until 1985, I never had one—no one did, and even then they sucked. The internet is great, but I used to go to the library and it’s one of my greatest childhood memories—riding my bike to the Riverside Public Library, or to the Library at Riverside Community College. It was like the whole world was open to me when I went through those doors.

We are getting fat, lazy, devolving socially, and everyone’s a victim of something or another. Frankly, I’m thinking of Montana, myself. Look up Ted Kaczynski's old place, see if it’s on the market.

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20-06-2012, 04:44 PM
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The standard model won't be abandoned just like that. It will take a lot to topple a theory so well supported - as the guy said in the article they'll have to confirm it.

Even if there is confirmed to be a problem, it's a good tool which we now know breaks under certain circumstances. The first step will be to try to tweak it, to try to see if there's something that was missed, maybe something fundamental that's been overlooked.l

If that turns out dud - and it will take a lot of experiments even to get that far, then the next step is wild and wacky theories - ideas on a similar revolutionary scale as dark matter...

Your point about funding is noted, that's what's gonna make real hard science at the edge like this difficult, getting the money...
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20-06-2012, 06:40 PM (This post was last modified: 20-06-2012 07:29 PM by Bucky Ball.)
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"If there is no God, human history is pointless."

Trouble with taking the party pooper job is :
Wherever I go, there I am.
Ted's place ain't "over there".

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20-06-2012, 06:45 PM
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Who is this Egor guy?
I hope he doesn't claim to be a Theist. Especially not a Christian Theist. If so, his rage drinking problem is embarrassing.

Science will die the moment all of existence ceases to exist.

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