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03-07-2014, 09:02 PM
RE: Science vs Morality
(02-07-2014 12:24 AM)Mozart Link Wrote:  It's also a scientific fact that people who have all the pleasure in the world with a sense of superiority are better people than those who are depressed and humble.
Hmm you're sure about that? because i know many billionaires that don't have a peace of mind and often get depressed whereas even poorest of the poor children will find happiness in what little they have to live for.. hell all children are easily amused its just adults that have issues.
Quote:greater is "better" when it comes to science.
I don't even.. i want to know what you were smoking when you made this thread seriously.

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04-07-2014, 01:59 AM
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Fuck me, but really you again? *reads thread* I don't even have to write new responses I could copy+paste half my old ones from past threads and they would still be perfectly relevant because you aren't saying anything new you fucking repetitive idiot.

I'd love a nice sandwich but you keep filling me up on word salad. Fuck you are boring.
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04-07-2014, 03:16 AM
RE: Science vs Morality
(04-07-2014 01:59 AM)WhiskeyDebates Wrote:  Fuck me, but really you again? *reads thread* I don't even have to write new responses I could copy+paste half my old ones from past threads and they would still be perfectly relevant because you aren't saying anything new you fucking repetitive idiot.

I'd love a nice sandwich but you keep filling me up on word salad. Fuck you are boring.

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04-07-2014, 06:37 AM
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Almost all of his posts in this thread are a word for word copy of what he posted over at AF.
And funny, he didn't listen to explanations over there either....

I call poe, troll, or maybe even a bot.

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04-07-2014, 05:21 PM
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(01-07-2014 05:14 PM)Mozart Link Wrote:  According to science, morals are false and irrational. For example, the religious moral that homosexuality is a sin is something many atheists know is false according to science. However, these same atheists are unaware that their own personal morals such as helping others, not harming or criticizing others, and not seeking self-glory and attention are also false according to science. They are no different than morals from religion (the only difference being that religious morals are from primitive superstitious belief and that their own personal morals are from their own personal views of life). But they are both similar in that they are from personal views in life and not from scientific facts.

If we were to look at everything from a scientific perspective and not from a moral point of view, then everything would all just be a natural scientific process that we won't frown upon (because this is the perspective that atheists already have towards things like homosexuality as they are already aware that homosexuality is something scientifically natural).

According to science, the concept of something "bad" is when a pain signal or a signal that triggers a loss of pleasure reaches the brain (even emotions such as anger and sadness are recognized by the brain as something "bad"). Therefore, if someone were to have the attitude of harming others and decides to do it and takes pleasure in doing so, only the harm that these people are experiencing is something bad for them. But as for this person's attitude and actions, they are not bad. Only the pain and unpleasant emotions themselves that these people are experiencing are bad for them. Actions are nothing more than a series of atomic activity (and this even goes for an attitude which is nothing more than a series of neuron activity and such in the brain). Therefore, attitude and actions by themselves are not bad as they are not pain or unpleasant emotional experiences. Even if you were to interpret these things as bad, the scientific fact is that they are not. All it is is just a matter of one person experiencing personal pleasure (in this case, from harming others) while other people experience misery and nothing more.

Having feelings of anger and such towards someone who chooses and has the attitude of harming others and such may be an evolutionary response in getting problems solved (in this case, the problem being harm being done to others). And that by having feelings of anger and such towards this person, that would be a way of trying to change this person so that they stop causing this problem. But the scientific fact of the matter is that you do not have to be a part of evolution in this sense and what others think of you. You are free to think, feel, and do whatever you want according to science.

Therefore, based on my reasoning here, does this give anyone the right to do anything they want in life? If not, you would have to scientifically explain why. Otherwise, any moral explanation you come up with against my argument would be false and irrational according to science.

Finally, it's also a scientific fact that people who have all the pleasure in the world with a sense of superiority are better people than those who are depressed and humble. If you have less pleasure, that makes you less of a person according to science because who you are is your brain and all of its processes and also the fact that greater is "better" when it comes to science. If, for example, you have a computer that has greater RAM and such than others' computers, then your computer would be better than their computers. Therefore, if you have a mind that has greater activity and capabilities, that makes you a better person. But as for someone who has greater intelligence than someone who has greater pleasure, the scientific fact is that pleasure is the greatest thing above any function in the brain because our personal experience of this emotion obviously says so (it is a natural conclusion that we make because without pleasure, then you would obviously be completely dead inside and no one would ever want that). You would obviously sacrifice your intelligence and all other areas of your brain if it meant not losing all of your pleasure. And for you to state otherwise would obviously mean you have no comprehension whatsoever of what it would feel like to lose all of your pleasure.

Therefore, since pleasure is the greatest function of the brain, if you have less pleasure, that makes you less of a person regardless of how much activity or capabilities you have in other parts of your brain.

It does not make you less of a person to feel some way, as that is based on subjective criteria. Really, all that is needed for morality, once science has cleared the path, is a simple philosophical maxim:

Treat others how you would want to be treated.

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04-07-2014, 08:57 PM (This post was last modified: 04-07-2014 09:42 PM by Mozart Link.)
RE: Science vs Morality
A part of what makes a person superior is having no depression in their lives. If they are superior to suffering and life's struggles, then that means they don't even have to deal with them in the first place. Or that if they do, then they would completely overcome them. Otherwise, if they don't overcome them, then they will never be superior to their problems.

Therefore, for people who have depression in their lives that they can't overcome, if they wish to be superior, then they should choose to end their lives because ending your life would completely overcome the problem of depression. Otherwise, they would forever be bound to being inferior human beings by their own depression.

Therefore, if I was chronically depressed right now with no way of it going away, me choosing to end my life would give me the last laugh because I now know that I am superior to my own depression and suffering by choosing to overcome these things through death. I wish to dictate my own life and have no problems in life dictating how I feel (this would obviously include the problem of depression). So me choosing to die would give me this power and make me superior.

As I stated before, I realize that this is the one and only life. Therefore, since this is the one and only life, that is why I wish for it to be a perfect fantasy world (just in terms of my pleasure). Therefore, if it can't be that way, then I will gladly end my life. However, if I were to have problems in my life that don't hinder my pleasure, then that would be fine. But if I were to have depression which does take away my pleasure, that's when I would decide to end my life providing that the depression never goes away completely. But in the meantime if I did have the depression, I would wait for it to go away completely first. If it doesn't, that's when I would end my life.
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04-07-2014, 09:01 PM
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(04-07-2014 08:57 PM)Mozart Link Wrote:  A part of what makes a person superior is having no depression in their lives. If they are superior to suffering and life's struggles, then that means they don't even have to deal with them in the first place. Or that if they do, then they would completely overcome them. Otherwise, if they don't overcome them, then they will never be superior to their problems.

Therefore, for people who have depression in their lives that they can't overcome, if they wish to be superior, then they should choose to end their lives because ending your life would completely overcome the problem of depression. Otherwise, they would forever be bound to being inferior human beings by their own depression.

Therefore, if I was chronically depressed right now with no way of it going away, me choosing to end my life would give me the last laugh because I now know that I am superior to my own depression and suffering by choosing to overcome these things through death. I wish to dictate my own life and have no problems in life dictating how I feel (this would obviously include the problem of depression). So me choosing to die would give me this power and make me superior.
As someone who lives with depression pretty successfully I can't begin to explain how offensive I find this post.

That however does not detract from your right to hold that opinion and so I hope and expect the post to stay.

It's 4am here and I've just got back from performing at a gig which has taken me 4 hours to drive back from - I am tired - when I wake up I shall pick your post apart with great pleasure.
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04-07-2014, 09:03 PM
RE: Science vs Morality
(04-07-2014 08:57 PM)Mozart Link Wrote:  A part of what makes a person superior is having no depression in their lives.

no

(04-07-2014 08:57 PM)Mozart Link Wrote:  If they are superior to suffering and life's struggles, then that means they don't even have to deal with them in the first place.

no


(04-07-2014 08:57 PM)Mozart Link Wrote:  Or that if they do, then they would completely overcome them. Otherwise, if they don't overcome them, then they will never be superior to their problems.

no

(04-07-2014 08:57 PM)Mozart Link Wrote:  Therefore, for people who have depression in their lives that they can't overcome, if they wish to be superior, then they should choose to end their lives because ending your life would completely overcome the problem of depression.

no

(04-07-2014 08:57 PM)Mozart Link Wrote:  Otherwise, they would forever be bound to being inferior human beings by their own depression.

no

(04-07-2014 08:57 PM)Mozart Link Wrote:  Therefore, if I was chronically depressed right now with no way of it going away, me choosing to end my life would give me the last laugh because I now know that I am superior to my own depression and suffering by choosing to overcome these things through death.

no

(04-07-2014 08:57 PM)Mozart Link Wrote:  I wish to dictate my own life and have no problems in life dictating how I feel (this would obviously include the problem of depression). So me choosing to die would give me this power and make me superior.

no


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now

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04-07-2014, 09:39 PM
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(04-07-2014 06:37 AM)LostLocke Wrote:  I call poe, troll, or maybe even a bot.

He's most definitely a troll that's been rather sufficiently demonstrated in past threads. He lacks intellectual capabilities or the imagination, being ludicrously boring, to be a poe. A bot..maybe.

Personal I just stick with stupid and call it a day.Drinking Beverage
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04-07-2014, 09:42 PM
RE: Science vs Morality
(04-07-2014 09:39 PM)WhiskeyDebates Wrote:  
(04-07-2014 06:37 AM)LostLocke Wrote:  I call poe, troll, or maybe even a bot.

He's most definitely a troll that's been rather sufficiently demonstrated in past threads. He lacks intellectual capabilities or the imagination, being ludicrously boring, to be a poe. A bot..maybe.

Personal I just stick with stupid and call it a day.Drinking Beverage

Or a rather depressed rather young (bright) adolescent. Not sure.

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