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18-02-2018, 05:30 PM
RE: Scientific support for RBE
(18-02-2018 05:02 PM)RBMG Wrote:  ... few places require you to physically walk in to submit your resume, though you can if you want ...

Unless the world has changed even more radically than I supposed, hiring only happens AFTER a personal interview, or several interviews. Blasting resumes out either by paper or by electrons is 99% wasted effort; getting real face time is what clinches the position, and even clinches getting the interviews that will clinch the position.

Is hiring done these days without face to face interaction? Strange new world if so.
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18-02-2018, 08:39 PM
RE: Scientific support for RBE
(18-02-2018 05:30 PM)Airportkid Wrote:  
(18-02-2018 05:02 PM)RBMG Wrote:  ... few places require you to physically walk in to submit your resume, though you can if you want ...

Unless the world has changed even more radically than I supposed, hiring only happens AFTER a personal interview, or several interviews. Blasting resumes out either by paper or by electrons is 99% wasted effort; getting real face time is what clinches the position, and even clinches getting the interviews that will clinch the position.

Is hiring done these days without face to face interaction? Strange new world if so.

To do an interview, sure, you often, if not always, have to go to the job in person. To apply? No. Long gone are the days where you waltz into a joint, look the manager in the eyes shake his hand firmly and get hired for your moxie. This isn't the 60s anymore.

Now days it's all about knowing someone, and even if you walk into a place a vast majority of companies won't even let you see a manager and will tell you to apply online. Hell you have to apply online for a job at McDonald's. So yes, the world of the job hunt is probably vastly different from when you were out there, depending on how old you are.

My grandparents and even my parents are baffled at the way you have to look for a job now days, they say it is bizarre compared to the days when you walked in somewhere and had a chance to make an impression on somebody important. For the companies, it's all about adding layers of separation between you and management.

edit: In fact, I once remember when I was younger applying for a job at a grocery store... The girl at the customer service desk refused to let me see a manager and told me to simply apply online. It wasn't until I got a friend to put a reference in for me that I even got my application looked at by anyone in the store (their online application system allowed you to see when your application was viewed by management). So yes, 99% of the time now days you have to apply to jobs without ever meeting someone. Of course interviews are done in person, at which point you'll have to miss a few hours of work if that interview falls during hours you work your usual shift.
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18-02-2018, 11:41 PM
RE: Scientific support for RBE
(18-02-2018 05:06 PM)RBMG Wrote:  
(18-02-2018 03:52 AM)morondog Wrote:  Even if socialism didn't work that well, I'd be all for it. Some shit is just the right thing to do. It really bugs me for example that medical care is often super expensive. That shit should be free to the individual. Because there's no alternative. That needs to be a socialised thing where the cost is borne by society. Same with education.

Also there's the UN charter of human rights. If we are all legally endowed with the right to life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness then for fuck's sake our governments should get on board and make it *work*. Or be held to account.

Interestingly enough Im not necessarily opposed to a UBI. Theres actually a good argument for it and I think everyone has the right to have a roof over their head, but good luck to anyone thinking well have UBI in the US any time soon. Id bet a good amount of cash we dont see it in my lifetime.

I don't think it's quite so bad. Think of the changes just America has seen since the 80s (when I was born). Or anywhere in the world. 10-20 years, a lot can happen. Someone born in West Germany in 1900 who lived to the year 2000 would have probably started life without electricity and running water, living under a king, then lived under the Nazis, then democracy. They would have seen changes like cars, planes, nuclear weapons, satellites and computers. Entire nations appeared and disappeared. Even on shorter time scales a lot can change.

Attitudes that seem entrenched to the point that they'll last a thousand years can change in the course of a decade. Even just the last five years, who would have predicted that gay marriage would be legalized in America? But suddenly political support for it was there and it happened and now it's completely a non-issue in politics (apart from far right wing nuts), where previously every politician would have something to say about it.

I'm tentatively expecting something similar to happen with gun control.

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19-02-2018, 08:40 PM
RE: Scientific support for RBE
(18-02-2018 11:41 PM)morondog Wrote:  
(18-02-2018 05:06 PM)RBMG Wrote:  Interestingly enough Im not necessarily opposed to a UBI. Theres actually a good argument for it and I think everyone has the right to have a roof over their head, but good luck to anyone thinking well have UBI in the US any time soon. Id bet a good amount of cash we dont see it in my lifetime.

I don't think it's quite so bad. Think of the changes just America has seen since the 80s (when I was born). Or anywhere in the world. 10-20 years, a lot can happen. Someone born in West Germany in 1900 who lived to the year 2000 would have probably started life without electricity and running water, living under a king, then lived under the Nazis, then democracy. They would have seen changes like cars, planes, nuclear weapons, satellites and computers. Entire nations appeared and disappeared. Even on shorter time scales a lot can change.

Attitudes that seem entrenched to the point that they'll last a thousand years can change in the course of a decade. Even just the last five years, who would have predicted that gay marriage would be legalized in America? But suddenly political support for it was there and it happened and now it's completely a non-issue in politics (apart from far right wing nuts), where previously every politician would have something to say about it.

I'm tentatively expecting something similar to happen with gun control.

Oh sure, things can change, and they do, of course. But I wouldn't get my hopes up for UBI any time soon. Tighter gun control? I think we'll see that a lot sooner than the government giving every adult 10 grand a year - call me crazy.

I'm hoping this Florida incident will be the one to push the right winged fucks over the edge - at least maybe SOMETHING positive can come out of this tragedy.
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20-02-2018, 07:46 AM (This post was last modified: 20-02-2018 08:03 AM by BikerDude.)
RE: Scientific support for RBE
(18-02-2018 08:39 PM)RBMG Wrote:  
(18-02-2018 05:30 PM)Airportkid Wrote:  Unless the world has changed even more radically than I supposed, hiring only happens AFTER a personal interview, or several interviews. Blasting resumes out either by paper or by electrons is 99% wasted effort; getting real face time is what clinches the position, and even clinches getting the interviews that will clinch the position.

Is hiring done these days without face to face interaction? Strange new world if so.

To do an interview, sure, you often, if not always, have to go to the job in person. To apply? No. Long gone are the days where you waltz into a joint, look the manager in the eyes shake his hand firmly and get hired for your moxie. This isn't the 60s anymore.

Now days it's all about knowing someone, and even if you walk into a place a vast majority of companies won't even let you see a manager and will tell you to apply online. Hell you have to apply online for a job at McDonald's. So yes, the world of the job hunt is probably vastly different from when you were out there, depending on how old you are.

My grandparents and even my parents are baffled at the way you have to look for a job now days, they say it is bizarre compared to the days when you walked in somewhere and had a chance to make an impression on somebody important. For the companies, it's all about adding layers of separation between you and management.

edit: In fact, I once remember when I was younger applying for a job at a grocery store... The girl at the customer service desk refused to let me see a manager and told me to simply apply online. It wasn't until I got a friend to put a reference in for me that I even got my application looked at by anyone in the store (their online application system allowed you to see when your application was viewed by management). So yes, 99% of the time now days you have to apply to jobs without ever meeting someone. Of course interviews are done in person, at which point you'll have to miss a few hours of work if that interview falls during hours you work your usual shift.

It depends what you are applying for.
I work as a consultant and I meet every person where I work for the first time at the interview or the first day.
If the job doesn't have a well defined set of requirements/skills then yeah it's a crap shoot. If every person is as qualified as the next then it comes down to stuff that is a lot more subjective.
But yeah the big problem is that most very large companies have software that pre processes resumes to eliminate candidates. This is why it's become common to "fake" the software by just putting a giant cloud of popular catch phrases at the top of your resume. It's a matter of numbers. If you are likely to get many hundreds or thousands of applications it's just not practical to do the first pass with human eyes.
Sad but true.

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20-02-2018, 07:10 PM
RE: Scientific support for RBE
(16-02-2018 04:46 PM)Szuchow Wrote:  Thanks. My to read list however is full at the time. Still it's good to have something for future reference if needed.

No pressure -- there are always more books than there is time to read them. Wink

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20-02-2018, 07:32 PM
RE: Scientific support for RBE
(17-02-2018 02:09 PM)RBMG Wrote:  
(16-02-2018 04:06 PM)Dr H Wrote:  Easily done. When there happen to be jobs.

And people willing to hire you even if you don't happen to have their preferred skill set, racial or ethnic background, gender, sexual orientation, skin color, or accent.
You either make excuses and play the victim or you find a way to make things work for you.
You do understand that, occasionally, there actually are victims?
No "playing" required?

Quote:I could tell you countless stories of friends, family members and former coworkers who all had the odds stacked against them, and yet, they're doing well for themselves now.
I can tell lots of stories, too.

Quote:You're incorrect in saying, "easily done."
That was a sarcastic response to your "get to fucking work. Period. No excuses" comment.

I know it can be hard to tell when I'm being sarcastic, since normally I'm such a nice, laid back, easy going kind of guy. Big Grin


Quote:No, it's not always easy to find work. But work is out there, it simply depends on whether you're willing to swallow your pride and take a job where you might be making half, or even a third, of what you believe your time is worth.
No, it doesn't "simply" depend on that. As you so aptly pointed out, it is not, necessarily, easily done.

It's not simply a matter of taking a lower paying job than you think your time is worth, if, for example, you can't afford to pay the rent and are living on the street and eating out of dumpsters. Or sleeping in your car. Or have a children to support. Or are trying to take care of a elderly parent. Or literally can't find a job that you can do without moving across the country -- and you can't afford to move.

There are a lot of reasons why people aren't working. There are also people who are quite willing to take any shit job that comes along, and do two or three of them at a time even, and still not make enough to put a roof over their head. Even some shit jobs let people go when they show up in the same clothes -- that they've slept in, in an alley -- every day for two weeks.


Quote:I'd rather make 10 bucks an hour for a year,
How about $3, $4, or $5 an hour?

Quote:while I look for another job, than zero dollars and hour for a year, while I look for another job and whine to myself and anyone else who will listen about how no one is hiring.

But when you find yourself in that position, where you have to take some shit job just to have some semblance of money coming in on a weekly basis, you hold on to that gig until a better one comes along. Rinse and repeat.

Life is tough for most of us and REALLY tough for some and I do have sympathy/empathy for lots of folks, but you can either be the person who rolls over and dies or you can fight and make shit happen. Yes, some folks needs help, there's no denying that. But you have to work in this life or you can wither away and die. Your choice.
<shrug> Like I said -- if there's work available, and people hiring, and people willing to hire YOU -- I've no problem with that.

Just pointing out, that's a lot of "ifs".

And a little annoyance, I confess, at people who have never really been all the way down, telling people who are there, not to "whine".
It's always easy to TELL other people what they should be doing.

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20-02-2018, 07:41 PM
RE: Scientific support for RBE
(18-02-2018 03:34 PM)AtheistTech Wrote:  I was supposed to answer a person's question about what would we do about child abuse and other crimes in the RBE world, but I couldn't find the conversation again.
That was me. Thanks for being conscientious and trying to answer the question.

Quote:I asked the people at the Venus Project this question and they referred me to this FAQ article.
Interesting FAQ, but you know, I didn't ask you about sexuality; I asked about child abuse.
You do realize that there are other kinds of child abuse besides sexual abuse? It was that which I really had in mind. What if someone is beating their kid? Or not feeding them? Or keeping them locked in a dog carrier in the basement for 12 hours a day? (All shit that happens, BTW.)

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20-02-2018, 07:45 PM
RE: Scientific support for RBE
(18-02-2018 03:53 PM)AtheistTech Wrote:  How would laws work in the RBE world?

Here is the First Paragraph of the Tenth Chapter of the free e-book Designing the future e-book.

"Chapter Ten
Decision Making and Laws
Decision Making
How are decisions arrived at in a cybernated resource-based society?
To answer this question, we use the scientific method and have
computers get direct feedback from the environment. Computers would
have electrical sensors extended into all areas of the social complex
around the globe. For example, electrical sensors would extend into
agricultural regions where computerized systems manage and control the
agricultural requirements by monitoring the water table, insects, pests,
plant diseases, soil nutrients, and so forth. Decisions are then arrived at
using direct feedback from the environment. The result would be a more
humane and meaningful civilization that is not based on the opinions or
desires of a particular sect or individual."

Sounds cool.
Where do all those sensors come from?
Who installs them?
Who performs routine testing on them and maintains them when they fail?
Who assures that there are always sufficient replacements in inventory?
Ditto for the computers.

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20-02-2018, 07:48 PM
RE: Scientific support for RBE
(18-02-2018 05:02 PM)RBMG Wrote:  The fact the most jobs are applied to online now days makes your argument a lot less valid. You can find decent jobs now days on sites like indeed.
How go you get "online" while you're working ten hour days swabbing toilets just to keep gas in the car you're sleeping in because you don't have a home?

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