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15-01-2016, 01:32 AM
RE: Scriptural support for universal morality
(14-01-2016 09:37 PM)Fatbaldhobbit Wrote:  
(14-01-2016 09:22 PM)popsthebuilder Wrote:  I said specifically that I do not omit anything from what is in the bible, or other scriptures, but that it has been misinterpreted by some for whatever reason.

Not that the theme of consequences for actions isn't pertinent.

If there is Universal Morality then it applies to god as well as man. That would be the universal part.

The Flood:
How many pregnant women do you think died? While the women themselves could have been evil, what crime did the fetuses commit? Innocents murdered by the hand of your god.

What about the babies and toddlers? Physically incapable of evil and intellectually unable to understand evil, these would also be the definition of innocents. All murdered by your god.

Exodus:
The first-born of Egypt. Since "born" was specified we at least can spare the fetuses this time. But, we still have all those innocent babes and toddlers, just like above. Just as innocent and just as dead. Although this time it could be argued that it's worse, since Pharaoh was going to change his mind, then god wouldn't let him.

"Let my people go, or I'll kill the babies."
"Ok, they can go."
"Nah, I really want to kill the babies. You can't let them go."

That's universal alright. Universally FUCKED UP.

Shall we continue?
Wanna talk about Lot? Moses? Job? Jephthah? Hell?



Seriously. You got nothin'.

Sometimes I'm surprised why christians don't scream Blood for the blood god during their meetings to celebrate their supposedly benevolent deity. It would be far more appropriate than all that bullshit about peace and humility.

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15-01-2016, 01:36 AM
RE: Scriptural support for universal morality
(14-01-2016 11:32 PM)EvolutionKills Wrote:  
(14-01-2016 09:28 PM)Banjo Wrote:  This sentence has no meaning. If I were to cut out your heart, what would be written on it?

"Made in China" Tongue

There's no reason to insult the Chinese. Tongue

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15-01-2016, 05:12 AM
RE: Scriptural support for universal morality
(14-01-2016 08:31 PM)popsthebuilder Wrote:  As far as the Qur'an is concerned. It holds the highest regard for Jesus as the one pure messenger of GOD.

They refer to none as the son of GOD for good reason.
The issue is the hypocrisy of So called Christians who don't follow scripture, thinking that Jesus as a man was at that time equivalent to GOD wholly, is a big issue.

You sound like a mystic, no wonder you like to make Gnostic proclamations.

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15-01-2016, 06:41 AM
RE: Scriptural support for universal morality
What pops has accomplished with this thread:

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15-01-2016, 07:01 AM
RE: Scriptural support for universal morality
(15-01-2016 06:41 AM)TheInquisition Wrote:  What pops has accomplished with this thread:

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15-01-2016, 07:22 AM
RE: Scriptural support for universal morality
(14-01-2016 09:03 PM)Chas Wrote:  
(14-01-2016 08:24 AM)popsthebuilder Wrote:  Mutations are random.

The probability of beneficial mutation surviving and being reproduced through offspring is not random.

Sorry try again.

Surviving and reproducing is essentially the definition of beneficial mutation, so you are stating a tautology.

The mutations themselves are random, making the outcome random.
What!?

The mutations themselves are genetic somewhat, making them not random.

The probability of beneficial traits being passed on through procreation by the organism with the beneficial mutation is no where near random.

Don't make me laugh.

Or do, I could use it.
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15-01-2016, 07:32 AM
RE: Scriptural support for universal morality
(15-01-2016 07:22 AM)popsthebuilder Wrote:  The mutations themselves are genetic somewhat, making them not random.

That makes no sense. Transcript errors, cross-overs, and inversions are random events that take place at the genetic level. They have been studied extensively.

Quote:The probability of beneficial traits being passed on through procreation by the organism with the beneficial mutation is no where near random.

That makes no sense either. Every germ cell has a random shuffling of genetic material. Which of the sperm cells merges with which egg cell is random. If the "mutation" is beneficial then that organism is more likely to have offspring which increases the number of occurrences in the population which increases the likelihood that it will be passed on to even more organisms.

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15-01-2016, 09:07 AM
RE: Scriptural support for universal morality
The thing to remember is that ungodly and disbelief ultimately refer to one type, and that is the one who knowingly blasphemes.

BOOK OF ENOCH

I-XXXVI

I-V. Parable of Enoch on the Future Lot of the Wicked and the Righteous

CHAPTER I.


1. The words of the blessing of Enoch, wherewith he blessed the elect ⌈⌈and⌉⌉righteous, who will be living in the day of tribulation, when all the wicked ⌈⌈and godless⌉⌉ are to be removed. 2. And he took up his parable and said--Enoch a righteous man, whose eyes were opened by God, saw the vision of the Holy One in the heavens, ⌈which⌉ the angels showed me, and from them I heard everything, and from them I understood as I saw, but not for this generation, but for a remote one which is for to come. 3. Concerning the elect I said, and took up my parable concerning them:

The Holy Great One will come forth from His dwelling,
4. And the eternal God will tread upon the earth, (even) on Mount Sinai,
⌈And appear from His camp⌉
And appear in the strength of His might from the heaven of heavens.

5. And all shall be smitten with fear
And the Watchers shall quake,
And great fear and trembling shall seize them unto the ends of the earth.

6. And the high mountains shall be shaken,
And the high hills shall be made low,
And shall melt like wax before the flame p. 32

7. And the earth shall be⌈wholly⌉ rent in sunder,
And all that is upon the earth shall perish,
And there shall be a judgement upon all (men).

8. But with the righteous He will make peace.

And will protect the elect,
And mercy shall be upon them.

And they shall all belong to God,
And they shall be prospered,
And they shall ⌈all⌉ be blessed.

⌈And He will help them all⌉,
And light shall appear unto them,
⌈And He will make peace with them⌉.

9. And behold! He cometh with ten thousands of ⌈His⌉ holy ones
To execute judgement upon all,
And to destroy ⌈all⌉ the ungodly:

And to convict all flesh
Of all the works ⌈of their ungodliness⌉ which they have ungodly committed,
And of all the hard things which ungodly sinners ⌈have spoken⌉ against Him.
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15-01-2016, 09:08 AM
RE: Scriptural support for universal morality
(15-01-2016 07:22 AM)popsthebuilder Wrote:  
(14-01-2016 09:03 PM)Chas Wrote:  Surviving and reproducing is essentially the definition of beneficial mutation, so you are stating a tautology.

The mutations themselves are random, making the outcome random.
What!?

The mutations themselves are genetic somewhat, making them not random.

The probability of beneficial traits being passed on through procreation by the organism with the beneficial mutation is no where near random.

Don't make me laugh.

Or do, I could use it.

You seem not to understand the following terms: random, genetic, probability.

The necessary and sufficient conditions for evolution are imperfect replication and differential reproductive success.

When DNA is copied, it is often copied imperfectly. Those errors are random. Some result in no phenotypic effect, some are deleterious even fatal, and some are beneficial. The ones that turn out to be of benefit are the ones that increase the organisms success at passing that DNA to its progeny.

The changes are random - there is no direction nor rhyme nor reason to them.
Evolution has no direction, no goal, no plan. The DNA that results in organisms that succeed in some environment is retained, but environments change.

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15-01-2016, 09:26 AM
RE: Scriptural support for universal morality
(15-01-2016 09:07 AM)popsthebuilder Wrote:  The thing to remember is that ungodly and disbelief ultimately refer to one type, and that is the one who knowingly blasphemes.

Ah, blasphemy. Truly the only victimless crime.

And spare me the preaching. Threats of hellfire from long-dead delusional prophets mean nothing.

And I note that you are avoiding the question I posted earlier.

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