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18-07-2017, 05:03 PM
RE: Seattle - how to tax a city into poverty
(18-07-2017 05:00 PM)JesseB Wrote:  I fully appreciate our situation.

I meant that more in an existential angst metaphysical nihilistic funk sense. Smile

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18-07-2017, 05:03 PM
RE: Seattle - how to tax a city into poverty
(18-07-2017 04:59 PM)GirlyMan Wrote:  
(18-07-2017 04:21 PM)JesseB Wrote:  You can also compare this with CEO Vs average worker pay in THIS country over the past 100 years, you'd see something pretty remarkable. Something along the same lines as what your link points out.

It had to be worse with the carbetbaggers wasn't it? I mean that's what it seemed like on Deadwood anyway.

I'm not particularly sure what you are referring too, however I've linked a chart that demonstrates how productivity and wages used to go hand in hand, and stopped back in the 70's. Deadwood (The Show) I think represents (through a Hollywood lens) a period of time before what I'm trying to reference. I'm mostly concerned with events posts WW2 when we had a huge amount of growth and much higher taxes on the wealthy than we do now, and we established the new deal, and anti trust laws, and unions. Because at one time in our history as fucked up as we may have been on many issues at least we could see some danger in allowing corporations to do whatever the fuck they want with impunity.

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18-07-2017, 05:08 PM
RE: Seattle - how to tax a city into poverty
(18-07-2017 04:30 PM)ImFred Wrote:  I'm making a point and I'm suggesting a standard.

Your point makes sense. Your standard doesn't.

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18-07-2017, 05:22 PM
RE: Seattle - how to tax a city into poverty
Girly, help me out you've been reading all of this. Do you think my thinking on this stuff is totally crazy or wrong?

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18-07-2017, 08:48 PM
RE: Seattle - how to tax a city into poverty
(18-07-2017 03:55 PM)ImFred Wrote:  
Quote:We can't pay an unskilled janitor or warehouse laborer to provide that service to others more than $13.25 an hour because no one will pay us more than $24 an hour for the service. At less than $24 an hour the company loses money on that employee so if we pay them $15 an hour there is no job for them to do.

Then clean the toilets yourself.

Because having a bunch of engineers that get paid $60 - $70 an hour clean toilets when you can hire a janitorial service to do it at $24 an hour isn't a sound financial decision.

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18-07-2017, 08:51 PM
RE: Seattle - how to tax a city into poverty
(18-07-2017 08:48 PM)Popeyes Pappy Wrote:  
(18-07-2017 03:55 PM)ImFred Wrote:  Then clean the toilets yourself.

Because having a bunch of engineers that get paid $60 - $70 an hour clean toilets when you can hire a janitorial service to do it at $24 an hour isn't a sound financial decision.

I'll be honest. As a computer science major, I wouldn't clean toilets for 60 dollars an hour when I could be working on computers instead....

But I don't think that's what the person you're responding to was trying to say. I could be wrong, but I think you might have misunderstood his point. AND I would agree with you, that's not economically feasible. Fuck dude for 60 bucks an hour? that toilet better be made of fucking gold.

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18-07-2017, 08:54 PM
RE: Seattle - how to tax a city into poverty
(18-07-2017 04:08 PM)GirlyMan Wrote:  
(18-07-2017 03:29 PM)Popeyes Pappy Wrote:  Your 3x the pay of the lowest paid employee idea is ridiculous.

I think ImNotFred was just making a point, not suggesting a specific standard. - Ratio between CEOs and average workers in world in 2014, by country But I'm not Fred. Smile

Could be but NotFred didn't suggest a reasonable cap of CEO pay. Something that I'm not necessarily opposed to. The suggestion was to cap CEO pay and some ridiculously low level based on the lowest earning employee. The CEO is the leader of the company. With very few exceptions they should make more than any of the other employees.

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18-07-2017, 09:00 PM
RE: Seattle - how to tax a city into poverty
(18-07-2017 08:54 PM)Popeyes Pappy Wrote:  
(18-07-2017 04:08 PM)GirlyMan Wrote:  I think ImNotFred was just making a point, not suggesting a specific standard. - Ratio between CEOs and average workers in world in 2014, by country But I'm not Fred. Smile

Could be but NotFred didn't suggest a reasonable cap of CEO pay. Something that I'm not necessarily opposed to. The suggestion was to cap CEO pay and some ridiculously low level based on the lowest earning employee. The CEO is the leader of the company. With very few exceptions they should make more than any of the other employees.

I would agree. I am with Girly on that. I agree with notfred's point not his standard. Personally.

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18-07-2017, 09:11 PM
RE: Seattle - how to tax a city into poverty
The CEO's salary would be capped at THREE TIMES of that of the lowest paid employee. It would be inhumane to pay a person less than they could live on so imagine the grandeur of making what you need THREE TIMES over.

Even though I believe every human being is intrinsically of equal worth, in the spirit of encouraging healthy entrepreneurship and developing skill sets I'm will to concede that one person should not only be allowed to earn twice what his employee makes but a staggering THREE TIMES! I know this won't seem at all fair to the worker whose worth is being valued at 1/3 of another's but life cannot always be fair.

Oh THREE TIMES doesn't allow for the risk incentive? OK, how about 100 times? Because that would still be a huge cut in the wage disparity.
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18-07-2017, 09:20 PM
RE: Seattle - how to tax a city into poverty
(18-07-2017 04:32 PM)ImFred Wrote:  
(18-07-2017 04:26 PM)Full Circle Wrote:  Yes, let’s make that into a law! We need to de-incentivize every entrepreneur from ever starting a company. Greedy bastards come up with a good idea, risk their own capital, work their asses off, turn it into a profitable business then employ others for the going rate in the marketplace...unacceptable! Fuck em! Who do they think they are?

Forget making it a law, we in America should make it an Amendment to the Constitution!

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If making three times as much as another isn't enough of an incentive then fuck his business.

Totally agree, the person who creates the whole thing should NOT make more than 3x what his or her employee makes even though that employee has taken zero risk or has been hired to do menial work.

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