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19-07-2017, 02:01 PM
RE: Seattle - how to tax a city into poverty
(19-07-2017 01:50 PM)Popeyes Pappy Wrote:  
(19-07-2017 12:20 PM)JesseB Wrote:  I'd like to point out something totally anecdotal.....

But even my ass backwards uneducated drunk ass dad has said, "It's unreasonable to expect anyone to survive in the modern world without access to internet."

(This in response to him making claims that I waste too much money, so I threw my budget at him and asked what I should cut, when I got to internet he said that. I was actually kinda shocked to hear that come out of his mouth)

Edit^ actually that annoys the fuck out of me. He sits there making over 250k a year consistently, he is at the center of my mom's crazy things that harm me (like selling my car to him without telling me, leaving me for almost a year with no transportation). He know's I live on like 10,000 a year, and then he wants to bitch at me and claim I waste money. And when I write it all fucking down he can't find anything to cut except food (which I already go without often).

He honestly thinks poor people should be miserable. Now I haven't always been poor. The most I ever made in one year was about 80,000 back when I could still do oilfield work (and was willing to put in 70-90 hour work weeks, most of my income was overtime, I mean just try working a 72 hour long SHIFT on an oil rig, no wonder my body's tore the fuck up). But my dad, he thinks he got to where he is because he works harder than everyone else. I mean everyone works hard, but he's got his head so far up his ass he thinks he works harder than everyone else. What happens is him and others like him, they buy's the lie of the meritocracy. My dad didn't even graduate High School, he went into the Marines at 18 came out then got lucky enough to get a job fixing microscopes, then went over into sales. He's been doing it since before I was born now. But he thinks he got to where he was purely on effort. I mean never mind that today, his company would NEVER hire someone without either a PH d or 20 years experience like he's got, so without an education I couldn't go work for his company and he know's this. He also knows that I did his job most of my childhood and have the skills and knowledge that could work for his company (my dad would have me fix or set up the microscopes while he would talk with the customer), he's even said so before. But without a PH d I can't go anywhere down that route. What he got, mostly was lucky. And he constantly tells me he's a better person than me because he makes more money than me, he thinks I should easily be able to make 250k a year without an education because he does. He works hard, this is true. But everyone works hard. My dad's older brother works hard as hell, he's out there putting up drywall after having broken his back a couple years ago and is currently dying of cancer (My uncle can't get insurance, so his plan is to work until the day he dies which is coming up soon). So this meritocracy is bullshit. My uncle is living in abject poverty and he works his fucking ass off more than my dad. So tell me why should my dad deserve 250k over my uncle? It's an arbitrary system, not completely arbitrary mind you because I get it, the reason CEO"s used to make 20 times the average worker and that jumped up to 300 times was scale ability, companies got larger. our anti trust laws got gutted and now we got this fucked up imbalance. But there's no sense to it. And all along the way they did everything they could to keep most people in a form of wage slavery. Which is why wages haven't gone up for the average worker since the 70's, despite inflation continuing to rise, I mean really if you factor in inflation we're making less than people did back in the 70's while they are making more. This is so fucked up. This shit has to change.

This is a total rant, but I needed to get some of this off my chest

Correction, my dad did get a GED from the Marines and later attended Seminary, he graduated but did not get ordained. My mom went to Seminary too, this is where they met and got married. But I don't really consider this a legit education so...

There was an interesting and relevant take on lifting people out of poverty by former Xerox CEO Ursula Burns on CNN yesterday.

Unfortunately a sizable portion of the US population agrees with your dad, and they elect government representatives that reflect those views. Democracy. Damned if you do. Damned if you don't.

I just sent that link to my parents.

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19-07-2017, 02:09 PM
RE: Seattle - how to tax a city into poverty
(19-07-2017 01:36 PM)ImFred Wrote:  lol

Yep. No matter how much money someone has they always think they earned it.

I'm guessing you didn't tell your employer you are overpaid, and offer them a refund????


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19-07-2017, 02:10 PM (This post was last modified: 19-07-2017 02:14 PM by Popeye's Pappy.)
RE: Seattle - how to tax a city into poverty
(19-07-2017 02:01 PM)JesseB Wrote:  I just sent that link to my parents.

I'm thinking the response is going to be, "CNN? Fake news."

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19-07-2017, 02:27 PM
RE: Seattle - how to tax a city into poverty
(19-07-2017 02:09 PM)onlinebiker Wrote:  
(19-07-2017 01:36 PM)ImFred Wrote:  lol

Yep. No matter how much money someone has they always think they earned it.

I'm guessing you didn't tell your employer you are overpaid, and offer them a refund????


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I work in the public sector, as a teacher, and I've stated many times that administrators should make less than teachers to other teachers and administrators. I do think that I should only be allowed to make three times what the principal makes but alas in reality the principal makes over three times what I do. How they figure people who don't even work with the kids should make more is beyond me. They certainly aren't risk taking entrepreneurs. And skills? Lol. Yeah the skill to go to the same church and speak with the exact local accent. Public schools sure ain't no meritocracy.
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19-07-2017, 02:34 PM
RE: Seattle - how to tax a city into poverty
I was glad when one college I went to was held to the lowest costs in the state cause it didn't have many administration roles and guidence roles to fill because it was split by some of the curriculum creating professors.

A lot of business and public costs of departments gets in trouble from the middle man role pricing going insane. Especially when school systems rotate school boards and members are kicked out with high pensions at superintendent and principle roles in frequent rotation.

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19-07-2017, 02:40 PM
RE: Seattle - how to tax a city into poverty
(19-07-2017 02:09 PM)onlinebiker Wrote:  
(19-07-2017 01:36 PM)ImFred Wrote:  lol

Yep. No matter how much money someone has they always think they earned it.

I'm guessing you didn't tell your employer you are overpaid, and offer them a refund????


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I have offered an employer a pay cut in favor of more hours. Well technically I was a contractor working for a school, but it was a small school struggling, and I wanted more weekends to work on projects so I said I'd work it out so I could work every weekend instead of 2 weekends a month for the same price I was already charging.

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19-07-2017, 02:48 PM
RE: Seattle - how to tax a city into poverty
(19-07-2017 02:34 PM)ClydeLee Wrote:  I was glad when one college I went to was held to the lowest costs in the state cause it didn't have many administration roles and guidence roles to fill because it was split by some of the curriculum creating professors.

A lot of business and public costs of departments gets in trouble from the middle man role pricing going insane. Especially when school systems rotate school boards and members are kicked out with high pensions at superintendent and principle roles in frequent rotation.

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Jobs where you can work for a few years and get guaranteed income for the rest of your life are kinda bullshit. No fucking pension unless you've put in some time. It's like we have politicians who serve one term and get health care and money the rest of their lives for it! I'd be ok with it IF they made an income equal to the average household income AND they maintained a reputation of doing their damn jobs....

Like we are expected to earn every scrap from the table, but fuckers like that just get freebies? In america the only one's getting a free ride are the rich and we all know it. They aren't these super hard working fantastic people who earned what they have and deserve billions. That's bullshit. Mostly they are criminals who get rewarded for committing crimes.... But it's ok they are rich so insider trading? no problem. Crashing the stock market, good job man here's a raise. Poisoning farm workers, you deserve a fucking medal.

Until they clean up their act there's no way you can pretend they aren't criminals deserving of jail. They sure as hell deserve it more than some poor fuck caught with pot (also rich people do drugs just like poor people..... just pointing that out)

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19-07-2017, 04:30 PM
RE: Seattle - how to tax a city into poverty
(19-07-2017 11:07 AM)morondog Wrote:  
(19-07-2017 07:21 AM)Full Circle Wrote:  I suppose there simply isn’t a clear cut line of what is necessary and what isn’t especially when you are asking someone else to pay for it don’t you think?

I think that government should implement programs to ensure that society moves in a direction of equality, where everyone's basic needs are met. How they do that is up to them ultimately, but if I were in charge I would definitely include a free phone program. Public libraries are hard to roll out. Phones are cheap. For US$100 I can get one that has an adequate screen size, can browse the internet, do email, whatsapp and other stuff. They're a world of information at ones fingertips. Combined with a program to offer cheap access to cellphone internet I see them as more cost effective than any alternative, with thousands of small intangible benefits. You don't even necessarily need to roll them out to everyone, just one per poor family initially would make a huge difference in earning power and access to all kinds of things, not least of which are free learning platforms like coursera.

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19-07-2017, 04:35 PM
RE: Seattle - how to tax a city into poverty
(18-07-2017 10:44 PM)GirlyMan Wrote:  
(18-07-2017 10:22 PM)ImFred Wrote:  I'm not saying we should kill them.

Share the wealth, eat the rich.

Funny you should say that G-man, I’m currently reading Savage Harvest, the story of the disappearance of Michael Rockefeller in 1961 in Papua New Guinea where it is now almost certain that he was eaten by the Asmat tribe of head hunters. Talk about eating the rich Laugh out load

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19-07-2017, 04:39 PM
RE: Seattle - how to tax a city into poverty
(19-07-2017 11:39 AM)ImFred Wrote:  
(19-07-2017 11:20 AM)morondog Wrote:  Incidentally fun fact about phones, some of the materials used in their construction are sourced from the Democratic Republic of the Congo, and it's suspected that the mines are using slave labour Undecided

That place is going totally unhinged

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2017/j...-bloodbath


http://www.aljazeera.com/news/2017/07/38...27720.html

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