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29-06-2015, 11:15 AM
Secret Mark - Anyone think there is something to this?
Anyone come across the "Secret Mark" material that is supposed to be additions to the gospel of Mark that are hidden from the "lay believer" until a time when they are considered worthy of being initiated deeper into the faith? A write up here:

http://www.earlychristianwritings.com/secretmark.html

Quote:In 1958, Morton Smith found a letter of Clement of Alexandria at the Mar Saba monastary near the city of Jerusalem. The Secret Gospel of Mark is known only from the references in this letter.

Although there has been some controversy over the letter, today it is generally agreed that the letter is authentic correspondence written by Clement. In his introduction in The Complete Gospels, Stephen Patterson notes: "The handwriting can be dated to around 1750. Smith published the letter in 1973. Early discussion of it was marred by accusations of forgery and fraud, no doubt owing in part to its controversial comments. Today, however, there is almost unanimous agreement among Clementine scholars that the letter is authentic."

Stephen Patterson gives this account of the passages noted by Clement:

The first passage is a story of how Jesus miraculously raises a young man (neaniskos) who has recently died, at the behest of his bereaved sister. According to Clement, the story was added to Mark between verses 10:34 and 10:35. The story bears a striking resemblance to the raising of Lazarus in the Gospel of John (John 11:1-44). However, since it shows none of the typical marks of Johannine redaction which so strongly color the story about Lazarus, it is unlikely that the Secret Mark story is directly dependent upon its Johannine parallel. For its part, the version of the story from Secret Mark has its own peculiarities not found in John, such as the initiation of the young man into the "mystery of God's domain." The basic story, however, probably derives from the common stock of miracle stories available to both Mark and John, or their sources.

The second fragment is extremely brief, but nonetheless interesting. First, it mentions Salome, who appears in the New Testament elsewhere only in Mark (see 15:40; 16:1). Secondly, when placed in the slot where Clement indicates it occurs in Secret Mark (between 10:46a: "Then they came to Jericho," and 10:46b: "As he was leaving Jericho...") it fills a well-known hole in the Markan narrative. The stop in Jericho now seems, in light of the Secret Gospel, at least a little less futile.

I'm skeptical of this based on what I read in the article where it was discovered by one man. The experts appear split but it looks like a consensus is building that it's a forgery. Now, was it a modern forgery or an ancient one that fooled Clement of Alexandria? But if it was around when Clement was in charge, could it be considered a forgery or a part of the Christian viewpoints?

Basically, talks about Jesus possibly having sex with other men - which I assume would have originated as a cultural importation from Greece if it was written back in the day.
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29-06-2015, 11:20 AM
RE: Secret Mark - Anyone think there is something to this?
So many books were chucked away at Nicea, it is hard to know what existed. Considering what we have is a complete mish mash and mess, I would not be surprised at anything. Remember, within weeks of Constantine giving Xians power the various sects were at each others throats.

Anything is possible with that ridiculous religion.

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29-06-2015, 12:15 PM
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Trying to figure out which are the "Real" books of the bible - is a whole lot like trying to find which turd in a septic tank stinks the worst......

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29-06-2015, 12:23 PM
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(29-06-2015 12:15 PM)onlinebiker Wrote:  Trying to figure out which are the "Real" books of the bible - is a whole lot like trying to find which turd in a septic tank stinks the worst......

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29-06-2015, 12:40 PM
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(29-06-2015 12:23 PM)Fodder_From_The_Truth Wrote:  
(29-06-2015 12:15 PM)onlinebiker Wrote:  Trying to figure out which are the "Real" books of the bible - is a whole lot like trying to find which turd in a septic tank stinks the worst......

Post of the month.

One of the other gospels found at Nag Hamadi had similar homo-erotic implications. It's as good as any other gospel. Reflected the faith of the writers/editors. There is one line left in Mark that some say are related ... where the young man in the garden at the arrest runs away naked.

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29-06-2015, 01:33 PM (This post was last modified: 29-06-2015 01:46 PM by dancefortwo.)
RE: Secret Mark - Anyone think there is something to this?
(29-06-2015 12:40 PM)Bucky Ball Wrote:  
(29-06-2015 12:23 PM)Fodder_From_The_Truth Wrote:  Post of the month.

One of the other gospels found at Nag Hamadi had similar homo-erotic implications. It's as good as any other gospel. Reflected the faith of the writers/editors. There is one line left in Mark that some say are related ... where the young man in the garden at the arrest runs away naked.

Wow, Bucky. Can you elaborate on the homo-erotic gospel ? Which one is it and is it available online?

Edit: Nevermind, I found it.

Shakespeare's Comedy of Errors.... on Donald J. Trump:

He is deformed, crooked, old, and sere,
Ill-fac’d, worse bodied, shapeless every where;
Vicious, ungentle, foolish, blunt, unkind,
Stigmatical in making, worse in mind.
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29-06-2015, 04:21 PM
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(29-06-2015 01:33 PM)dancefortwo Wrote:  
(29-06-2015 12:40 PM)Bucky Ball Wrote:  One of the other gospels found at Nag Hamadi had similar homo-erotic implications. It's as good as any other gospel. Reflected the faith of the writers/editors. There is one line left in Mark that some say are related ... where the young man in the garden at the arrest runs away naked.

Wow, Bucky. Can you elaborate on the homo-erotic gospel ? Which one is it and is it available online?

Edit: Nevermind, I found it.

It's the Book of Peter.
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29-06-2015, 06:40 PM
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The question when dealing with xtian holy books is not "if" they were forged but rather "when." Most of the pauline epistles were forged - or at least heavily interpolated - in antiquity.

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29-06-2015, 08:24 PM
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(29-06-2015 04:21 PM)Fodder_From_The_Truth Wrote:  
(29-06-2015 01:33 PM)dancefortwo Wrote:  Wow, Bucky. Can you elaborate on the homo-erotic gospel ? Which one is it and is it available online?

Edit: Nevermind, I found it.

It's the Book of Peter.

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29-06-2015, 08:46 PM
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I'm very interested in this. Thanks
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