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11-03-2015, 05:17 AM
RE: Selfishness
(11-03-2015 05:09 AM)Clockwork Wrote:  FC already said what I think. Pretty much we all act selfishly. You are the only person you're guaranteed to have during your life.

Even if you volunteer your time and help others, it still has a selfish quality. We like to think those acts are 100% selfless, but the intrinsic value cannot be ignored.

I do not think selfishness is a bad thing. If more people in the world wanted to feel all warm and fuzzy on the inside, I think there would be less strife.

"Selfish" in what context, see that is the problem, you don't simply use the word. You do that without clarifying people end up justifying all sorts of greed and chase for power.

We are all out to survive, if we didn't have a sense of self worth we would not look both ways crossing a busy street. Evolution drives us to avoid harm and seek resources. That is the evolutionary "selfishness", but we also seek cooperation and evolved with empathy as well.

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11-03-2015, 05:25 AM
RE: Selfishness
All actions have a selfish basis for them. Remove every possible source of benefit for the individual, including the simple pleasure of helping others, and they won't do anything.

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11-03-2015, 06:02 AM
RE: Selfishness
Selfishness isn't doing something for your self.

Selfishness is doing something for your self at the expense of others.

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11-03-2015, 06:18 AM
RE: Selfishness
(11-03-2015 06:02 AM)onlinebiker Wrote:  Selfishness isn't doing something for your self.

Selfishness is doing something for your self at the expense of others.

... the subtle difference between 'selfish' and 'selfie'.

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11-03-2015, 06:19 AM
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(11-03-2015 06:02 AM)onlinebiker Wrote:  Selfishness isn't doing something for your self.

Selfishness is doing something for your self at the expense of others.

And what would you call an action that, while harmless (or even helpful) to others, is done primarily for the benefit of the self?

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11-03-2015, 06:23 AM
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(11-03-2015 06:19 AM)One Above All Wrote:  
(11-03-2015 06:02 AM)onlinebiker Wrote:  Selfishness isn't doing something for your self.

Selfishness is doing something for your self at the expense of others.

And what would you call an action that, while harmless (or even helpful) to others, is done primarily for the benefit of the self?

A nice coincidence....

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11-03-2015, 06:24 AM
RE: Selfishness
(11-03-2015 06:23 AM)onlinebiker Wrote:  
(11-03-2015 06:19 AM)One Above All Wrote:  And what would you call an action that, while harmless (or even helpful) to others, is done primarily for the benefit of the self?

A nice coincidence....

So all actions are "nice coincidences"?

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11-03-2015, 06:33 AM
RE: Selfishness
(11-03-2015 06:24 AM)One Above All Wrote:  
(11-03-2015 06:23 AM)onlinebiker Wrote:  A nice coincidence....

So all actions are "nice coincidences"?

How did an action suddenly become all actions?
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11-03-2015, 06:42 AM
RE: Selfishness
(11-03-2015 06:33 AM)pablo Wrote:  
(11-03-2015 06:24 AM)One Above All Wrote:  So all actions are "nice coincidences"?

How did an action suddenly become all actions?

I think we can all agree that actions that screw other people over for the benefit of the self are selfish. These are a part of "all" actions. The others are the ones we're divided on: the ones that, while not harmful (possibly even helpful) to others, are still based on the benefit of the self, and not the benefit of others. This is why "an action" "suddenly" became "all actions". I believe it's made clear if you read the posts leading up to this discussion.

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11-03-2015, 06:55 AM
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(11-03-2015 06:42 AM)One Above All Wrote:  
(11-03-2015 06:33 AM)pablo Wrote:  How did an action suddenly become all actions?

I think we can all agree that actions that screw other people over for the benefit of the self are selfish. These are a part of "all" actions. The others are the ones we're divided on: the ones that, while not harmful (possibly even helpful) to others, are still based on the benefit of the self, and not the benefit of others. This is why "an action" "suddenly" became "all actions". I believe it's made clear if you read the posts leading up to this discussion.

So, the outcome of one specific action being a "nice coincidence " means the outcome of every other possible action is the same coincidence?
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