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28-11-2013, 12:56 PM
RE: Sense of "self".
I am a metastable self-maintaining emergent neural pattern.

So are you.

Maybe.

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28-11-2013, 01:02 PM
RE: Sense of "self".
It's like moving in and out of my head at the same time. But not so much in a physical way, it feels like a very light air boiling (but without heat) in my body, predominantly in my head... If I think too hard it's a bit like a headache

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28-11-2013, 01:07 PM (This post was last modified: 28-11-2013 01:13 PM by DLJ.)
RE: Sense of "self".
OK Beemy, 'cause it's you, I'll give it a try.

From a very early age I have felt detached from what is going on around me.

Not 'outside' exactly but rather observing from within.

I remember, as a teen, trying to describe it to a friend as kinda like there's a me that's involved in whatever is going on around me and at the same time there is another me within who is providing analysis and a narrative.

Strip away that outer layer, through analysis of self and there is another layer within what is within that performs the narrative for the new outer layer (which was the one within).

Analysis of self i.e. self-awareness has been a process of stripping away the layers.

As you asked for a sentence and perhaps a metaphor...

I am an onion...

Read me and weep.


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28-11-2013, 01:13 PM
RE: Sense of "self".
(28-11-2013 01:07 PM)DLJ Wrote:  OK Beemy, 'cause it's you, I'll give it a try.

From a very early age I have felt detached from what is going on around me.

Not 'outside' exactly but rather observing from within.

I remember, as a teen, trying to describe it to a friend as kinda like there's a me that's involved in whatever is going on around me and at the same time there is another me within who is providing analysis and a narrative.

Strip away that outer layer, through analysis of self and there is another layer within what is within that performs the narrative for the new outer layer (which was the one within).

Analysis of self i.e. self-awareness has been a process of stripping away the layers.

As you asked for a sentence and perhaps a metaphor...

I am an onion...

Read me and weep.


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28-11-2013, 01:31 PM
RE: Sense of "self".
(28-11-2013 01:07 PM)DLJ Wrote:  OK Beemy, 'cause it's you, I'll give it a try.

From a very early age I have felt detached from what is going on around me.

Not 'outside' exactly but rather observing from within.

I remember, as a teen, trying to describe it to a friend as kinda like there's a me that's involved in whatever is going on around me and at the same time there is another me within who is providing analysis and a narrative.

Strip away that outer layer, through analysis of self and there is another layer within what is within that performs the narrative for the new outer layer (which was the one within).

Analysis of self i.e. self-awareness has been a process of stripping away the layers.

As you asked for a sentence and perhaps a metaphor...

I am an onion...

Read me and weep.


Dodgy




EDIT: I just noticed that this was my 6,666th post. Ooooh!

I love onions (they usually don't like me much tho) Hug


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28-11-2013, 01:31 PM
RE: Sense of "self".
(28-11-2013 12:07 PM)bemore Wrote:  Nice answers, however they are not the answers to my questions. I never asked for what the sense of self is. I asked people to describe how their sense of self is to them, if it has a feeling and what it means to experience it and where you feel it may be rooted (if anywhere)

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28-11-2013, 01:32 PM (This post was last modified: 28-11-2013 01:39 PM by GirlyMan.)
RE: Sense of "self".
(28-11-2013 10:57 AM)bemore Wrote:  Can you describe it, limited to one sentence?

No fucking way. I took an entire course on "self" when I was still a PHIL Major at Uni from this guy - Raymond Martin

All of his online papers there are good but this one is probably my favorite. Would it matter all that much if there were no selves?
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I'm sure I posted this here before. Lemme go spelunking. ... Ah, there it is. Identity.

(28-11-2013 12:56 PM)cjlr Wrote:  I am a metastable self-maintaining emergent neural pattern.

So are you.

Maybe.

Although that one's pretty damn good. ... I mean for coming from a physicist and whatnot. Tongue

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28-11-2013, 01:58 PM
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(28-11-2013 11:14 AM)houseofcantor Wrote:  I am merely the Prime Minister of an unruly Parliament.

A rump parliament, surely?

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28-11-2013, 02:09 PM
RE: Sense of "self".
(28-11-2013 01:58 PM)cjlr Wrote:  
(28-11-2013 11:14 AM)houseofcantor Wrote:  I am merely the Prime Minister of an unruly Parliament.

A rump parliament, surely?

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28-11-2013, 02:17 PM
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(28-11-2013 12:07 PM)bemore Wrote:  Nice answers, however they are not the answers to my questions. I never asked for what the sense of self is. I asked people to describe how their sense of self is to them, if it has a feeling and what it means to experience it and where you feel it may be rooted (if anywhere)

My self is the CEO.

My brain is a big company with specific hardware that is common to all humans, some hardware that is specific to my ancestry and myself, different departments for research, data storage, data retrieval, record keeping and everything else needed to run an efficient company.

My company does most everything for me, much of it totally without my knowledge even, all the departments do their jobs.

When something requires special attention or unusual resolutions, it lands on the CEO's desk.

I am the whole company, really, but my self is the CEO.

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