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01-12-2013, 06:38 AM
RE: Sense of "self".
Thank you for all the replies up to now. I find the whole "self" subject fascinating and it has been very interesting seeing what people have wrote.

I do have my own views but they are as transient as all the other answers. I think we have a barrier with our communication. You will reach "inside of yourself" to try to pull adequate words to describe (or other methods like art, music etc) yourself and how you feel. The reader will read these words and then "reach inside themselves" to draw some sort of clarity to their meaning.

So no matter how adequately I could string a sentence together, would be no guarantee to me that you get what I mean. As we both have to look within.

Something else I would like to ask you guys is how much time/our day, do we spend both in conscious and unconscious states? Could your sense of self be described the same within both.... that is if I asked you to describe your conscious self, would its answer be the same as if I asked you to describe (or at least attempt to) your unconscious self?

For no matter how much I use these symbols, to describe symptoms of my existence.
You are your own emphasis.
So I say nothing.

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01-12-2013, 01:33 PM
RE: Sense of "self".
(01-12-2013 06:38 AM)bemore Wrote:  Something else I would like to ask you guys is how much time/our day, do we spend both in conscious and unconscious states? Could your sense of self be described the same within both.... that is if I asked you to describe your conscious self, would its answer be the same as if I asked you to describe (or at least attempt to) your unconscious self?

No, they most certainly are not. And even when conscious I still need to reconcile the sober with the inebriated intoxicated self. Tongue

That fact these fuckers still live gives Girly hope. Big Grin




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01-12-2013, 01:40 PM
RE: Sense of "self".
(01-12-2013 01:33 PM)GirlyMan Wrote:  ...
That fact these fuckers still live gives Girly hope. Big Grin
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Most of them.

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01-12-2013, 02:08 PM
RE: Sense of "self".
I left a reference dangling, but it went right by Girly. Weeping

But this brings up a deep philosophical question.

If a reference doesn't dangle for Girly, is it a dangling reference? Consider

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01-12-2013, 05:49 PM
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(01-12-2013 02:08 PM)Chas Wrote:  I left a reference dangling, but it went right by Girly. Weeping

But this brings up a deep philosophical question.

If a reference doesn't dangle for Girly, is it a dangling reference? Consider

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01-12-2013, 05:58 PM
RE: Sense of "self".
(01-12-2013 05:49 PM)DLJ Wrote:  
(01-12-2013 02:08 PM)Chas Wrote:  I left a reference dangling, but it went right by Girly. Weeping

But this brings up a deep philosophical question.

If a reference doesn't dangle for Girly, is it a dangling reference? Consider

Does the pope shit in the woods?

Consider

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01-12-2013, 07:05 PM
RE: Sense of "self".
That shit's all in my head Bemore.


There. One sentence.

But seriously... to me, that's like asking what does your spleen feel like?

I have no idea. In fact, I wouldn't know what it felt like if it ruptured. At least, not until afterward, when someone told me what had happened.

But in the end, if your sense of self feels like it resides in your left nut, it's for the same basic reason that some people believe they're a famous Jewish zombie.... because it's all in your head. And where in your head that is originating has a lot to do with your demeanor/personality. If you're a generally fearful, angry and paranoid person, that sense of self is going to be largely derived from your amygdala. If you're calm and rational, from somewhere else.... that I can't remember because I'm not really well trained in that shit. Sorry.

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02-12-2013, 01:11 PM (This post was last modified: 02-12-2013 02:15 PM by GirlyMan.)
RE: Sense of "self".
(01-12-2013 02:08 PM)Chas Wrote:  I left a reference dangling, but it went right by Girly. Weeping

But this brings up a deep philosophical question.

If a reference doesn't dangle for Girly, is it a dangling reference? Consider

Goddam you Chas! Goddam you all to hell! Censored

(28-11-2013 08:25 PM)Chas Wrote:  I'm not the passenger, I am the ride.

The problem is more with my sense of pride
Because it keeps me thinking "me"
Instead of what it is to be
I'm not a passenger, I am the ride
I'm not a passenger
I am the ride





Sense of duty keeps us all in motion

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02-12-2013, 01:24 PM
RE: Sense of "self".
(02-12-2013 01:11 PM)GirlyMan Wrote:  
(01-12-2013 02:08 PM)Chas Wrote:  I left a reference dangling, but it went right by Girly. Weeping

But this brings up a deep philosophical question.

If a reference doesn't dangle for Girly, is it a dangling reference? Consider

Goddam you Chas! Goddam you all to hell! Censored

(28-11-2013 08:25 PM)Chas Wrote:  I'm not the passenger, I am the ride.







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02-12-2013, 01:58 PM
RE: Sense of "self".
I think the conscious feeling of self comes and goes, this is what we try to describe. However what is permanent and a little bit more mysterious is our unconscious selves.

Also I think the the more you try to delve deeper into the "self" in an attempt to discover its working (like biology, neuroscience etc) the further you have to remove yourself, the observer.

For no matter how much I use these symbols, to describe symptoms of my existence.
You are your own emphasis.
So I say nothing.

-Bemore.
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