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28-08-2016, 04:08 AM
RE: Share your de-conversion story
(28-08-2016 01:54 AM)marinesky Wrote:  as a religious person I often felt my writings were too dark and godless. So did others apparently, because I can clearly remember being told that one of my plays wasn't godly enough. Now such things simply don't matter anymore.

Wow. Zeus help that guy if he ever reads some Tennessee Williams! Not to mention Bertolt Brecht, George Bernard Shaw, Arthur Miller, Jean-Paul Sartre... sheesh!

The real question is how effective one could possibly be as a "godly" playwright.

(My mom's a theatre professor.)

"Theology made no provision for evolution. The biblical authors had missed the most important revelation of all! Could it be that they were not really privy to the thoughts of God?" - E. O. Wilson
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28-08-2016, 04:11 AM
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(11-08-2016 11:23 PM)izel Wrote:  Even though I had left, I keep pretending to be Muslim. I still follow a lot of traditions such as festing and using words such as Inshallah, Bismillah and bunch of other old habits that is just stuck with me. When you’re pretending to be someone else every day of your life, it becomes harder and harder to draw the line between the real you and the fake you. I sort of became a pathological liar. I only come out as an Atheist to people I don't know, tourist mainly. Between that and this forums keeps me sane for a while, but this pretending is slowly destroying me inside and warping my perception of reality.

Oh, Izel, I only just read this. My heart breaks for you! Sad

You're an amazing person, and you do what you need to do to survive in your family/culture, even if the dishonesty gets to you sometimes. That just means you're a good person trying to do right by everyone but yourself. You're insightful and intelligent, and you have my admiration and respect.

Plus your sense of humor is fantastic.

Hold on. One day you will reach a place where you can be just who you want to be and nothing else. Do what you need to do until then.

"Theology made no provision for evolution. The biblical authors had missed the most important revelation of all! Could it be that they were not really privy to the thoughts of God?" - E. O. Wilson
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25-10-2016, 07:15 AM
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My family was never really religious but we "claimed" ourselves to be "Catholics", perhaps because we our part Mexican, lol.

Anyways, going up to 9th grade, I sort of believed in God, but I never followed religion at all.

In my 9th grade Biology class, I had a teacher who encouraged us everyday to think outside the box, later I realized this was called "critical thinking". He always brought up good points of the evolution of biology and how it contradicted many creationist point of view's. He even noted himself as an Atheist, and I do not know if that was okay to do so, as I went to a public school. But he really created the whole turning-point in my life where I started to question things and how they are.
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25-10-2016, 10:39 AM
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I watched a Youtube video by The Amazing Atheist. That is all.
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10-02-2017, 07:42 AM
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I was in 7th grade and the thought just popped into my head when I joked about not believing in a god. I was a natural contrarian so I jumped on the bandwagon of the online atheist community. First debate I watched was a Hovind debate... that didn't help the case for theism. I was an atheist for about 5 years. But I'd say I'm more agnostic and leaning towards some first cause arguments now.

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01-03-2017, 05:31 PM
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Hmm... I guess this is where I should have posted the wall-o-text I led off with in my "intro" thread last week.

Oh well, live and learn. Blush

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02-03-2017, 01:45 PM
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My Deconversion Story

It all started with falling in love with the TV show, The Big Bang Theory. I got on the fan club forum and made a bunch of geek friends who were all atheists. (imagine that). That was in 2009. I made a special friendship with a member who was a for real physicist and we got very close. I started devouring all the science I could read. That was 2011.

then I got on FB and got on all the science pages making more geek friends who were all atheists (imagine that). Then... I started seeing the debate groups in my stream. I got into a debate group as a science savvy theist who adored the atheists.

I had already accepted evolution and the fact that NFW there could have been a flood. But, I still believed in a god. Very much so as I was a radically saved Pentecostal. But I was deconverting without realizing it. I thought I could be an ally with the atheists against YEC. Who better to show that a theist could love both god and science. I realize now that was stupid and naïve .

My first day in a debate group as a theist I got friended by an entire group of atheists who only pretended to like me for two days just to pump testimony from me to make the kill that much sweeter. I was heartbroken. I had been conned and betrayed.

Then I learned if they called me stupid or saw that meme, Too Stupid For Science? Try Religion, I could change the topic to science and smear their ass like Vaseline on a baby butt. Ah-ha.. an atheist could be beaten. They really were too stupid for science and no wonder they debated religion where they were an automatic winner from the start.

There are many other instances of being scouted for off a science page for theists , being flattered and friended only to pump me for testimony to exploit later for a kill. I had let my guard down. I was exploited as a science savvy theist. What kind of theist loves science and can still be a theist? What kind of theist realizes there was no flood and still believes in god?
What they saw as an atrocity was actually the reason I was becoming an atheist.

Then over the next few months as a theist in atheist debate groups, I fell into the hands of a master: Miguel Phosteur. He did the socratic method on me and held me in the palm of his hand. With one flick of the wrist, I was dumped into CD. Was I really in direct contact with god or was I delusional? I opted out. My world crumbled and I cried buckets. Then.... as atheist logic started making sense to me, I started laughing. Slowly I went from "atheist by day, begging for forgiveness by night" into a confident atheist.

At one point when my world was crumbling like the twin towers, I was encouraged to take my own life. All I did was say, Let me die now. I've seen another distraught theist who was making hysterical threats of self harm get egged on to skype it. How despicable.

I tried to share my story with the atheists online so they'd realize that there may be an occasional theist who is just curious and wants to chat. I didn't deserve the contempt and mockery I got. Looking back I could see that as a theist I *wanted* to be in what I thought was the kewl gang. I was a prime for picking recruit. All the outstanding signs I had as a science savvy theist who only wanted to love the atheists were ignored for sociopathic kicks.

I guess I thought that atheists would conclude, Gee,,, maybe we should keep our eyes open for the occasional theist who is curious and just wants to chat. But no... all I got was bullied for playing the victim.

On just about every level, I could not relate to the other atheists and their hatred for theists and religion. Finally, as a newbie atheist, I found my identity. I am an anti fundamentalist atheist . I found out about fundamental atheism and how the fundy atheists mirror everything they complain about. I discovered the horseshoe theory. I found a way to separate myself from the rest of the atheists.

Fast forward: coming here and finding a personal issues section with rules that it was a safe place... I made a post about surviving atheist abuse. Unfortunately, I forgot about it and months later when I found it again, that had been trolled. I reacted and told everyone off. then I started a new thread calling the rules out as a fraud.

A few atheists: DLJ, Full Circle, WillHopp, Jennybee and Peebothul actually apologized to me, admitted they were wrong and responded to me in a manner that got me to open up and want to confide in them.

All the rest just trolled what they saw as a troll. They got defensive, I was defensive in return and it all kept escalating.

The atheists with integrity that I listed above were able to de escalate my personal issues and deserve the utmost in reputation marks. Seriously so.

And DOM... you took my thread out of the personal care section and into another arena where it was no longer in a safe place. That's corruption, dude. I did not deserve it.

All in all, the ridiculous do not deserve ridicule. They deserve the best we have to offer. I'm broken and deeply wounded . My journey of becoming an atheist has sucked . I just have to conclude that I can't stand most atheists and if I want to debate, I need to stick to debating my fellow soap opera queens . Theyre some real c**ts but in the end, we know its only fiction and its all good.

If I could do it all over again, i'd opt out of ever watching that tv show , falling in love with science and becoming an atheist. I was happier before . I'm an atheist that can't stand other atheists . And guess what? I am NOT the only one. We anti fundamental atheists laugh and mock the fundy atheists for their twisted reasoning .

Atheism is a state of mind. Fundamental atheism is a state of mouth.

Ya wanna know what fundamental atheism is? Google it. Jeffrey Nall has a fairly decent article. Google westboro atheists. Google evangelical atheists. Google secular fundamentalism.

or stay willfully ignorant. Open minded? My fanny other atheists are free thinkers. That's an illusion.
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08-03-2017, 05:36 PM
Share your de-conversion story
(01-03-2017 05:31 PM)Dr H Wrote:  Hmm... I guess this is where I should have posted the wall-o-text I led off with in my "intro" thread last week.

Oh well, live and learn. Blush


I made the same mistake. Let's blame it on Amazon!
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08-03-2017, 05:47 PM (This post was last modified: 08-03-2017 05:56 PM by Rachel.)
Share your de-conversion story
To Geekgroupie,

You are clearly very angry. But I reject "fundamentalist atheism" and evangelical atheism" as utter nonsense made up by vengeful fundie Christians.

I'll change my mind on that when I see roving bands of atheists going door-to-door and confiscating bibles.

One of my favorite shopping venues reserves a spot for Free Speech. In all my time going there, I've never seen an atheist group. I've seen Jehovah's Witnesses, the occasional pair of Mormons (they travel in packs of 2, you know), and every so often, a few Baptists. Once I saw a humanist group of 3 who looked as if they would have preferred being in Mom's basement playing World of Warcraft. But zero atheist groups. No one preaching the good news of atheism.

So calm down and go rejoin your church. You'll be happier.

EDIT: I bought and read "The God Delusion" after having decided the whole god thing was a bunch of crap. But tucked inside was a neon green slip of paper advertising the local humanist group. So a friend and I decided to go to one of their meetings. It was a disaster. It was mostly guys who hadn't ever seen a girl before and automatically decided that the two of us were dunces because we weren't members of MENSA and weren't interested in the group anyway. Then they went back to comparing IQs. We left.

Since then, I've stuck to online atheist discussion groups. The 3-D version was too disappointing.
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20-03-2017, 03:08 AM (This post was last modified: 20-03-2017 04:10 AM by Fred Hampton.)
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Simplest thing I ever didn't do. I was never converted in the first place. Yay. Smile Oh, as a teenager, I was forced for a few years against my will to entertain the thought of "Jesus" and Gawd and church goin', but that never took from the get go. The Rapture propaganda was the final deal breaker. Then flirted for several years with the idea Buddhist "Gawd"(s) and the idea of reincarnation--which I really hoped was true, btw--but that, I concluded, is just "brain" stuff, maybe really good stuff, but all brain nonetheless. Doesn't give you any magic powers, so what's the point? Well, "eternal bliss", ok, I'm still working on that one, though I don't really buy it.

Today I have come to know that Jesus was more or less a revolutionary socialist for his Hebrew brethren, and I'm down with that. But, in that regard, I wouldn't even put him in the same categorical universe as Marx or Mao or even Castro and Che', you know, people that actually accomplished something BIG!--for The People, the Poor People. The 'Communist Manifesto' is a far, FAR, more important work than The Bible, as it contains the blueprint for human liberation and survival of the species into the future.

As a socialist revolutionary, Jesus was more on the level of, say, Fred Hampton, that is, powerful, respectable, yooge upside, but assassinated WAY before his time.
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