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08-07-2016, 05:56 PM
RE: Shots fired in Dallas during protest.
(08-07-2016 05:53 PM)TrainWreck Wrote:  
(08-07-2016 05:14 PM)Anjele Wrote:  This is where so many things go wrong...because of the actions of a few revenge is taken out on many.

This is very different than anything I can recall. What do you mean this is where things go wrong - who is doing wrong?

(08-07-2016 05:19 PM)GirlyMan Wrote:  Armed white punks on dope taking revenge against peaceful BLM protests is a very scary proposition.

Or, how about the prisons releasing all their hostages?

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08-07-2016, 06:00 PM
RE: Shots fired in Dallas during protest.
(08-07-2016 05:53 PM)TrainWreck Wrote:  Or, how about the prisons releasing all their hostages?

You back in the clinker again? What'd you do now? Piss on a cop again? Is this the one post you're entitled to??

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08-07-2016, 06:12 PM
RE: Shots fired in Dallas during protest.
(08-07-2016 04:04 PM)SYZ Wrote:  
(08-07-2016 03:40 PM)GirlyMan Wrote:  I haven't seen that yet. ref?

It was reported in the Melbourne (Australia) AGE newspaper early this morning Sat 9 July. No viable evidence, and an "anonymous" source. Who knows?


Update: The AGE report was deleted a couple of hours later. They just report whatever they get on the Reuters or AAP wire without necessarily checking its veracity I think.

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08-07-2016, 06:28 PM
RE: Shots fired in Dallas during protest.
Wow watching cnn showing the protest going on now.

What are they protesting?


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08-07-2016, 07:12 PM
RE: Shots fired in Dallas during protest.
(08-07-2016 04:59 PM)GirlyMan Wrote:  
(08-07-2016 04:56 PM)Anjele Wrote:  Radio reports here say they found things for making explosives in his home along with more body armor. Also a journal filled with combat techniques. So far they are saying he doesn't appear to be affiliated with any group. He wanted to kill white people, especially white cops which is what the told the negotiator last night.

Dude went Dylann Roof.

What I find really frightening? The dude had better body armor than the cops.

Not really practical to wear anything rated for more than 9mm most of the time. Soft body armour like police wear on patrol, or like I wear with corrections during external escorts, are only a few pounds and don't restrict movement very much, which makes it well worth the extra protection. Higher rated armour, like my own personal plate carrier or my military issue IOTV, are 30 to 40 pounds on the light end. Throw even a small amount of equipment on top of that, and it becomes pretty impractical for someone in a policing role. Even in combat operations, I'd rarely put in all my plates unless I am in a static position or mounted gunner role that leaves me particularly vulnerable or we are under orders to do so. Otherwise, I'd rather be able to move than have the added protection.

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08-07-2016, 07:29 PM
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(08-07-2016 07:12 PM)yakherder Wrote:  Even in combat operations, I'd rarely put in all my plates unless I am in a static position or mounted gunner role that leaves me particularly vulnerable or we are under orders to do so. Otherwise, I'd rather be able to move than have the added protection.

I don't understand the combat access to the full 30lb armour system - were plates kept on a utility vehicle that you could easily get to. What about long patrol hike-missions? What about the parachute guys - how much armour are they carrying?

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08-07-2016, 08:41 PM (This post was last modified: 08-07-2016 08:44 PM by yakherder.)
RE: Shots fired in Dallas during protest.
(08-07-2016 07:29 PM)TrainWreck Wrote:  
(08-07-2016 07:12 PM)yakherder Wrote:  Even in combat operations, I'd rarely put in all my plates unless I am in a static position or mounted gunner role that leaves me particularly vulnerable or we are under orders to do so. Otherwise, I'd rather be able to move than have the added protection.

I don't understand the combat access to the full 30lb armour system - were plates kept on a utility vehicle that you could easily get to. What about long patrol hike-missions? What about the parachute guys - how much armour are they carrying?

In a typical deployment we'll have a forward operating base where we keep all our shit, IOTV and plate inserts included. Without the plates, it can theoretically absorb some random shrapnel and, at most, angled fire from 9mm. With plates, it can theoretically stop armour piercing 7.62 rounds. When we receive a mission, whether it's to head out for an hour or a couple weeks, we'll use that to determine what we take and what we leave behind. If we're gonna be trudging around in the hills for a couple weeks, I'll probably put in like half my plates. Enough to give some protection to the parts of my body I'd likely have facing towards the enemy when I'm shooting. If I'm gonna be riding on top of a vehicle, highly exposed but not needing to be moving around on my own effort, I'm putting in everything. If practical, yeah we may throw the extra plates in the vehicle. It's usually more or less at our discretion, depending on how far up our assess the higher ups are at any given time.

The other issue is that armour like this has to be worn externally, while the soft armour police wear can be worn underneath their uniforms. If they wore heavier external armour, they'd look like the bad guys in all those riot pictures that the media seems to love. So the softer armour is also worn for the purpose of not causing unnecessary escalation. They've got better armour. But if they'd showed up to an assumed peaceful protest in full assault gear, the media would have crucified them.

As for parachute guys, mission dependent as well. If they're not jumping directly into combat, they might have it all tucked in their rucksack which they'll drop separately as they near the ground so they don't have to absorb that extra hundred or more pounds themselves. Hard on the knees Tongue

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10-07-2016, 02:14 AM
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(08-07-2016 08:41 PM)yakherder Wrote:  [...] But if they'd showed up to an assumed peaceful protest in full assault gear, the media would have crucified them. [...]

But then they'd still be alive wouldn't they? Better to be "crucified" by the media than a 7.62mm round.

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10-07-2016, 05:49 AM
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(10-07-2016 02:14 AM)SYZ Wrote:  
(08-07-2016 08:41 PM)yakherder Wrote:  [...] But if they'd showed up to an assumed peaceful protest in full assault gear, the media would have crucified them. [...]

But then they'd still be alive wouldn't they? Better to be "crucified" by the media than a 7.62mm round.

In hindsight, for this particular incident, yes. But if they always wore such equipment as a standard, the escalation could also result in loss of life for both police and civilians.

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10-07-2016, 07:19 AM
RE: Shots fired in Dallas during protest.
From the mouth of sports reporters.....

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