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10-08-2014, 11:03 AM
RE: Should America Support Israel?
Is that all the Arab countries combined? Israel is one country.

We give more MILITARY aid to the arabs? Not including the wars that we started where the military aid we assist the arabs with is used to kill Arabs. LOL
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10-08-2014, 11:09 AM
RE: Should America Support Israel?
(10-08-2014 11:03 AM)Wicked Clown Wrote:  Is that all the Arab countries combined? Israel is one country.

We give more MILITARY aid to the arabs? Not including the wars that we started where the military aid we assist the arabs with is used to kill Arabs. LOL

Here's a breakdown of military versus non-military US aids to foreign countries.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_foreign_aid

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10-08-2014, 10:54 PM (This post was last modified: 10-08-2014 11:00 PM by EvolutionKills.)
RE: Should America Support Israel?
(10-08-2014 10:53 AM)zaybu Wrote:  
(10-08-2014 10:36 AM)Wicked Clown Wrote:  Christians feel they have to support Israel to be blessed and God hates the enemies of Israel. Oh and they want Israel to have more land and believe that God punishes America for not giving it to them and will bless America for supporting them.

Some facts to be considered in regard to US foreign aid:

Israel: $3.1 B


Afghanistan: $12.8 B
Iraq: $1.9 B
Egypt: $1.4B
Pakistan: $1.2 B
Jordan: $1.1 B
West Bank/Gaza: $0.5 B

So the US helps the Islamic countries far more than Israel.

So why singling out Israel?!??

Israel: $3.1 B
-Population: 7.908 M
-Cost per Person: $392

Afghanistan: $12.8 B
-Population: 29.82 M
-Cost Per Person: $429.24

Iraq: $1.9 B
-Population: ~35 M
-Cost Per Person: $54.29

Egypt: $1.4B
-Population: 80.72 M
-Cost Per Person: $17.34

Pakistan: $1.2 B
-Population: 179.2 M
-Cost Per Person: $6.70

Jordan: $1.1 B
-Population: 6.318 M
-Cost Per Person: $174.11

West Bank/Gaza: $0.5 B
-Population: 1.715 M + 1.816 M
-Cost Per Person: $141.60


So the amount of money that we spend, per person, in Israel is only surpassed by the monumental clusterfuck that is our own War in Afghanistan. Kind of puts things into a bit more perspective...

And even then, it's pretty disingenuous to group all of those other countries collectively against Israel and then yell about 'singling out Israel'. All of those countries (remembering that the Palestinians don't have their own country) are also ostensibly allies of the United States, just like Israel.

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11-08-2014, 01:34 AM
RE: Should America Support Israel?
(10-08-2014 10:36 AM)Wicked Clown Wrote:  
(10-08-2014 09:40 AM)EvolutionKills Wrote:  One problem there, the Jews are no longer just a race, they're a religion. The Jewish 'people' stopped being a homogeneous ethnic group long before the Zionists settlers arrived on the banks of the Jordan. Also, the Roman empire had it, and retained control of it through the Byzantines, which then moved to the Ottomans. Why don't the more recent Italian or Turkish people have a better claim to that land?

What's going on in Israel is a crusade. Christians feel they have to support Israel to be blessed and God hates the enemies of Israel. Oh and they want Israel to have more land and believe that God punishes America for not giving it to them and will bless America for supporting them.

...and likewise it is also a continuation of the Islamic conquests and caliphates.
...ISIS, Taliban, Al-Queda, Hamas, Islamic brotherhood, Islamic Jihad etc all want to re-establish the "Islamic Ummah"
...then watch out, once consolidated they will expand to Europe & the US where they are already gaining ground eg the scandals regarding public schools in the UK indoctrinated with Islamic education.

Whilst no supporter of crusades, these regions were Christian dominated prior to the Islamic conquests of the Byzantine Empire for example. Today all of North Africa is Arab dominated when people such as Coptic's have been marginalized with many limitations to power in Egypt.

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11-08-2014, 01:41 AM
RE: Should America Support Israel?
(10-08-2014 11:03 AM)Wicked Clown Wrote:  Is that all the Arab countries combined? Israel is one country.

We give more MILITARY aid to the arabs? Not including the wars that we started where the military aid we assist the arabs with is used to kill Arabs. LOL

I bet you wouldn't be saying that during the cold war when Israel was a vital ally to the US and the USSR was the main source of military aid for Arab countries (and still is for Syria).
...and your wrong in any case - The US gives billions of $ military aid to Egypt, Jordan, Iraq, Pakistan etc including equipment such as US air-force technology (Egypt like Israel also has F-16, F-15's etc.)

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11-08-2014, 06:51 AM
RE: Should America Support Israel?
Well I really am tired of Jews and Christians trying to claim this conflict has nothing to do with religion. If as some claim this is strategy about oil, then the common person inside both boarders and the supporters of both sides are being duped by the rich oil companies and the players. It would simply amount to rich old people convincing the working class and poor to murder to keep them rich.

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11-08-2014, 10:25 AM
RE: Should America Support Israel?
(11-08-2014 06:51 AM)Brian37 Wrote:  Well I really am tired of Jews and Christians trying to claim this conflict has nothing to do with religion. If as some claim this is strategy about oil, then the common person inside both boarders and the supporters of both sides are being duped by the rich oil companies and the players. It would simply amount to rich old people convincing the working class and poor to murder to keep them rich.

For the Jews this is a secular conflict, but for Hamas this is a holy war.

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11-08-2014, 10:30 AM
RE: Should America Support Israel?
(11-08-2014 10:25 AM)Res Publica Wrote:  
(11-08-2014 06:51 AM)Brian37 Wrote:  Well I really am tired of Jews and Christians trying to claim this conflict has nothing to do with religion. If as some claim this is strategy about oil, then the common person inside both boarders and the supporters of both sides are being duped by the rich oil companies and the players. It would simply amount to rich old people convincing the working class and poor to murder to keep them rich.

For the Jews this is a secular conflict, but for Hamas this is a holy war.

Israel is definitionally a Jewish state. Its actions have been in large part to establish and maintain that identity.

By what tortured logic is that "secular"?

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11-08-2014, 05:28 PM
RE: Should America Support Israel?
(11-08-2014 10:30 AM)cjlr Wrote:  
(11-08-2014 10:25 AM)Res Publica Wrote:  For the Jews this is a secular conflict, but for Hamas this is a holy war.

Israel is definitionally a Jewish state. Its actions have been in large part to establish and maintain that identity.

By what tortured logic is that "secular"?

Jewish in this sense refers to an ethnicity not religion.

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11-08-2014, 09:44 PM
RE: Should America Support Israel?
(11-08-2014 05:28 PM)Res Publica Wrote:  
(11-08-2014 10:30 AM)cjlr Wrote:  Israel is definitionally a Jewish state. Its actions have been in large part to establish and maintain that identity.

By what tortured logic is that "secular"?

Jewish in this sense refers to an ethnicity not religion.

Try telling that to the fundamentalist rabbis that would rather kill all the Palestinians rather than cede any part of Jerusalem... Drinking Beverage

Remember folks: It's only Holy War when the people with brown skin do it! Thanks imperialism!

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