Should America Support Israel?
Post Reply
 
Thread Rating:
  • 0 Votes - 0 Average
  • 1
  • 2
  • 3
  • 4
  • 5
06-08-2014, 01:24 PM
RE: Should America Support Israel?
(06-08-2014 12:56 PM)EvolutionKills Wrote:  For fucks sake, you are advocating for the purposeful murder of innocent non-combatants, civilians, and children.

Can you prove it to be purposefull?!

Quote: Stop, think about that.


There is nothing to think about.

Israels government is not ordering the the purposefull murder of civilians.

Thats a bogus nonsence story dreamt up by morons who scream "the West is wrong" everytime a bomb goes off or gun is fired in some international conflict.

All whilest sucking the smegma off some Hamas cocks.

Quote:I look back at the firebombing of Dresden and the Atomic bombs dropped on Hiroshima and Nagasaki, and I despair over the loss of civilian lives.

Oh just shut your useless fucking mouth!!!

There were no "Free Nazi Germany" demonstrations when allied forces bombed Nazi germany and there were no "Leave Tojo in Peace" rallies in Washington when Japan was bombed.

And for a good reason. Because they were stuffing millions into gaschambers, enslaving entire populations or executing them.

Back then, people at least had the sence to see evil for what it is.

Today we have repulsive hipsters like you who think that violence isnt justifies even when faced with people who fly planes into skyscrapers, mutilate women, purposly murder civilians and demand the killing of the worlds entire jewish population.

Seriously, fuck you.

Go and live amongst the savages you are so eager to defend in Afghanistan, Quatar, Saudi Arabia, Syria, Iraq or Gaza.

Quote:It can be argued that the Allies in WWII had far less options at their disposal in their fight against a similarly powered adversary. That is clearly not the case in Gaza now.

Wtf?

Since when is war supposed to be "fair and balanced"? Since when are there rules in war that dictate how much military power one country can unleash? That is an oxymoron, war by it`s very definition has the goal to inflict maximum damage against an opponent.

Did you pull that notion out of your ass?

Quote:Hamas is NOT the Wehrmacht or the Imperial Army, this conflict is entirely one-sided.

Again. There are no rules determening the messures of force that can be applied.

Besides that. Yes, ideologicaly Hamas is ascist. And it doesnt matter which amount of force a fascist organisation has at it`s deposal, it must be destroyed!

Quote: The Allies hand't occupied Germany or Japan for almost 5 decades prior (and even here, you can see how the treatment of Germany post WWI directly lead to WWII; and part of that blame lies squarely at the feet of the Allies).


This reeks of sooooooooo much bullshit. Someone here clearly doesnt understand even the slightest, tiniest bit of history. The reason for the emnety towards the allies in post WW1 germany is because of the crushing war debts and reperations aswell as the guilt being placed soley on germany.

And to debunk your rechedly stinking pile of shit even more: Guess who still has troops in Germany.

Quote:It is a slaughter, it is shooting fishing in a fucking barrel.

So what?! if Hamas hide in schools - their fault. If Hamas is dumb enought to fight a technoligalcy advanced army - their fault.

Quote: It is people in tanks, jets, drones, firing missiles and artillery; with the full knowledge that they are killing civilians on purpose.

Something you cant prove.

Quote:These are WAR CRIMES.

This is TERRORISM.

WHEN I DONT HAVE AN ACTUAL ARGUMENT OR EVEN PROOF I JUST WRITE IN CAPITAL LETTERS BECAUE I IT CONVEYS MY OPINION ON A USELESS BUT FOR WEAK MINDED PEOPLE CONVINCING EMOTIONAL BASIS THAT HAS FAR MORE EFFECT ON SUCH PEOPLE THAN REASON.

You are on the wrong fucking forum. There are certainly some Islamist forums, neo nazi forums, antisemetic forums or some Alex Jones forums on which this kind of unreasonable emotionaly loaded bullshit is swalloed by people of your kind.

[Image: RPYH95t.png]
Find all posts by this user
Like Post Quote this message in a reply
[+] 1 user Likes The Germans are coming's post
06-08-2014, 01:39 PM
RE: Should America Support Israel?
(06-08-2014 01:21 PM)EvolutionKills Wrote:  Germany did, after the first World War, because of how the Allies dicked them around at the Treaty of Versaille; and look at how well that worked out.

Neither of them have since, because after the disastrous end of the First World War, America and her allies wised the fuck up and helped to rebuild Germany and Japan instead of burying them and their post-war economies with war reparations.

Israel has the power, the ability, and the resources to pursue peace without slaughtering thousands of civilians by bombing the fuck out of the worlds largest open-air prison (that, incidentally, they created). But they don't want to. Right now the right-wing conservative hawks are in power and very popular. Why pursue a two state solution? Right now they have all of the power, all of the rights; and the Palestinians have jack shit. If they just maintain the status quo as they have been doing for almost 5 decades, they can just keep taking more and more land without giving anything back; and they know they'll get away with it.

Israel doesn't want peace, they are happy with the status quo; the staus quo has them in charge and with all the power.

There cannot be any talk of peace when your enemy has worn to destroy you. The reparation in Germany and Japan took place AFTER these two countries had surrendered unconditionally. Right now, the Palestinians are not ready to do that, lay down their arms, stop the fighting and surrender unconditionally. They still believe they can win the war, not matter how unrealistic that is. And so any talk of peace or reparation with the Palestinians is futlie.

My blog
Visit this user's website Find all posts by this user
Like Post Quote this message in a reply
[+] 1 user Likes zaybu's post
06-08-2014, 02:44 PM (This post was last modified: 06-08-2014 04:20 PM by EvolutionKills.)
RE: Should America Support Israel?
(06-08-2014 01:24 PM)The Germans are coming Wrote:  
(06-08-2014 12:56 PM)EvolutionKills Wrote:  For fucks sake, you are advocating for the purposeful murder of innocent non-combatants, civilians, and children.
Can you prove it to be purposefull?!


Easy. They forced all of the civilians into one of the most densely populated urban areas in the world. They know that about 80% of the deaths they are causing are civilians, and yet they continue anyways. They are more than well aware of the locations of schools, hospitals, and UN shelters (many of which they had been warned not to hit dozens of times prior to them being subsequently bombed anyways); and yet they still keep hitting them with one of the most technologically advanced militaries on the planet. They are pursuing a policy of terror, killing civilians for the purpose of making them bow their heads and hopefully getting them to turn on Hamas. They are killing civilians for the purpose of political gain, in other words, terrorism.

It is purposeful in the same way as the firebombing of Dresden was, and both were war crimes. However Israel doesn't have anywhere near a reasonable justification, the conflict is so entirely one-sided.



(06-08-2014 01:24 PM)The Germans are coming Wrote:  
Quote:Stop, think about that.

There is nothing to think about.

Israels government is not ordering the the purposefull murder of civilians.

Thats a bogus nonsence story dreamt up by morons who scream "the West is wrong" everytime a bomb goes off or gun is fired in some international conflict.

All whilest sucking the smegma off some Hamas cocks.


Israel exploits Hamas, using fear mongering to keep their conservative party in power. This conflict is entirely one-sided, yet even now the elimination of Hamas is not the objective of the IDF. They are just 'cutting the grass', allowing the status quo that keeps all of the power on their side. Just go in every few years, kill a ton of civilians in the name of routing terrorism, and use that excuse to perpetually deny the peace process and ignore a two-state solution in favor of unilaterally taking more land by force alone.



(06-08-2014 01:24 PM)The Germans are coming Wrote:  
Quote:I look back at the firebombing of Dresden and the Atomic bombs dropped on Hiroshima and Nagasaki, and I despair over the loss of civilian lives.
Oh just shut your useless fucking mouth!!!

There were no "Free Nazi Germany" demonstrations when allied forces bombed Nazi germany and there were no "Leave Tojo in Peace" rallies in Washington when Japan was bombed.

And for a good reason. Because they were stuffing millions into gaschambers, enslaving entire populations or executing them.

Back then, people at least had the sence to see evil for what it is.

Today we have repulsive hipsters like you who think that violence isnt justifies even when faced with people who fly planes into skyscrapers, mutilate women, purposly murder civilians and demand the killing of the worlds entire jewish population.

Seriously, fuck you.

Go and live amongst the savages you are so eager to defend in Afghanistan, Quatar, Saudi Arabia, Syria, Iraq or Gaza.

No, fuck you. You'd think someone who grew up in Germany would appreciate history enough to understand how those ignorant of history are doomed to repeat it. But no, you'd rather repeat the mistakes of the past rather than learning from them. Also, nice try at attempting to equivocate my concern for innocent civilians in Gaza to blanket support of all middle eastern governments; because that's not at all like the Nazi's blanket demonization of the Jews and other undesirables. Oh wait, it's exactly like what the Nazi's did to dehumanize their victims.

Both Hamas and Israel are to blame here, and the ones paying for it are the innocent civilians trapped in Gaza. That you would even attempt to equate the powerless civilians crammed into Gaza with the Nazi final solution, does nothing but cheapen the memory of the Holocaust.

Hamas does not represent all of the civilians in Gaza, hell they don't even represent a country. Yes, their charter calls for the destruction of Israel. The charter of the Israeli ultra-conservative Likud Party (Netanyahu's party) also calls for there to never be a Palestinian state. One of these groups has the power to make their charter goals a reality, the other does not.



(06-08-2014 01:24 PM)The Germans are coming Wrote:  
Quote:It can be argued that the Allies in WWII had far less options at their disposal in their fight against a similarly powered adversary. That is clearly not the case in Gaza now.
Wtf?

Since when is war supposed to be "fair and balanced"? Since when are there rules in war that dictate how much military power one country can unleash? That is an oxymoron, war by it`s very definition has the goal to inflict maximum damage against an opponent.

Did you pull that notion out of your ass?

This isn't a war, it's a turkey shoot.

This is in violation of international law.

This is a war crime.

This is terrorism.

Israel has all of the power here, it is their choice. They can choose not to kill thousands of civilians, they simply choose not to. That does nothing to excuse their actions. We know they have other options, we know Israel can do better; and we know they don't want to and are instead choosing to do otherwise.

Are you really going to claim that Hamas represents such a threat that they actually control Israel? That Israel, with the most powerful military in the region and the Iron Dome system in place to protect their own civilians, is entirely unable to do otherwise? Do you really think that Israel is so weak, so powerless, in this situation?



(06-08-2014 01:24 PM)The Germans are coming Wrote:  
Quote:Hamas is NOT the Wehrmacht or the Imperial Army, this conflict is entirely one-sided.
Again. There are no rules determening the messures of force that can be applied.

Besides that. Yes, ideologicaly Hamas is ascist. And it doesnt matter which amount of force a fascist organisation has at it`s deposal, it must be destroyed!

If Hamas is facist, then the current government in control of Israel is too. If we must destroy all fascists, when do you suggest we should nuke Tel Aviv?



(06-08-2014 01:24 PM)The Germans are coming Wrote:  
Quote:The Allies hand't occupied Germany or Japan for almost 5 decades prior (and even here, you can see how the treatment of Germany post WWI directly lead to WWII; and part of that blame lies squarely at the feet of the Allies).

This reeks of sooooooooo much bullshit. Someone here clearly doesnt understand even the slightest, tiniest bit of history. The reason for the emnety towards the allies in post WW1 germany is because of the crushing war debts and reperations aswell as the guilt being placed soley on germany.

And to debunk your rechedly stinking pile of shit even more: Guess who still has troops in Germany.

The United States still has troops in Germany, as mutual Allies; the United States has not occupied Germany and maintained it as a massive open-air prison for 5 decades. The US forces are posted there under treaty by Germany's inclusion into NATO, and it was done during the Cold War; and the people of West Germany were happy to have them there. By the way, the US also pays Germany to maintain our bases in their territory. You're equivocations are as facile as your understanding of history.

The point being, that oppressing a people is not the way to a lasting peace. Oppressing the German people after after the First World War, by burdening them with blame and massive debt; did nothing but stoke discontent. It was the actions of the Allies, in their callous disregard for the fate of their defeated enemy, which allowed extremist to come to power in Germany. It was the signing of the Treaty of Versaille that torpedoed the legitimacy of the Weimar Republic and led to the rise of Hitler and the Nazis. The Israelis are repeating the same mistakes that the Allies made, and you're too fucking blind to see it. The fact that you are a German makes your blindness even more tragic. You grew up in a country that already has suffered this indignity once before in your history, and yet you haven't learned a damn thing from it.

That is a real shame, because this is how history repeats itself in the worst way possible. All you've done is demonstrate the huge gulf between knowing history, and understanding history; and how dangerous that gap of ignorance is.



(06-08-2014 01:24 PM)The Germans are coming Wrote:  
Quote:It is a slaughter, it is shooting fishing in a fucking barrel.
So what?! if Hamas hide in schools - their fault. If Hamas is dumb enought to fight a technoligalcy advanced army - their fault.

So Hamas should what? Walk out into the open desert and wave their hands? Where else can they go, as Gaza is already the one of the most densely populated urban centers on earth (1.8 million people crammed into 139 square miles, a fraction of the size of Los Angeles); and Israel knows this. There is no place for Hamas, or the civilians, to go to (44% of Gaza is a 'no-go' zone for open bombing, and yet they still hit the other 56% anyways). Once again Israel knows this, and doesn't care. Israel is crying victim in a situation of it's own manufacture. Either Israel is the most inept military in the worlds for their 80%+ civilian kill rate, or they don't fucking care.

Neither is acceptable.



(06-08-2014 01:24 PM)The Germans are coming Wrote:  
Quote:It is people in tanks, jets, drones, firing missiles and artillery; with the full knowledge that they are killing civilians on purpose.

Something you cant prove.

Israel is well aware of the situation they have created. Israel is well aware that they have other option available. Israel has the power to do otherwise. On all accounts, Israel chooses not to do otherwise. Israel chooses the actions that needlessly kill innocent civilians and children, while simultaneously decrying Hamas for doing the same (by the way, the claims of Hamas using human shields or hiding in hospitals/schools/shelters was debunked by the UN; they are just Israeli propaganda and fear mongering).

Israel proves it themselves with their actions.



(06-08-2014 01:24 PM)The Germans are coming Wrote:  
Quote:These are WAR CRIMES.

This is TERRORISM.
WHEN I DONT HAVE AN ACTUAL ARGUMENT OR EVEN PROOF I JUST WRITE IN CAPITAL LETTERS BECAUE I IT CONVEYS MY OPINION ON A USELESS BUT FOR WEAK MINDED PEOPLE CONVINCING EMOTIONAL BASIS THAT HAS FAR MORE EFFECT ON SUCH PEOPLE THAN REASON.

You are on the wrong fucking forum. There are certainly some Islamist forums, neo nazi forums, antisemetic forums or some Alex Jones forums on which this kind of unreasonable emotionaly loaded bullshit is swalloed by people of your kind.

It is not anti-semitic to point out reality for what it is fucktard; and to claim otherwise is to cheapen that term. Israel knows the situation, they know the costs of their actions, they know that their offensives kill an overwhelming number of innocent civilians and children. They hit hospitals, they hit schools, they even hit UN shelters. The people have nowhere to go, they cannot leave, and nowhere in Gaza is safe. The Israelis continue to do so, in lieu of other options, for political gains.

What is the definition of Terrorism again?

-the use of violence and intimidation in the pursuit of political aims.

That is exactly what Israel is doing to the Palestinians in Gaza, and pointing out this reality for what it is, is emphatically not anti-semitic.


Is Hamas in the right? Certainly not, and I do not condone their rocket attacks. While I don't condone, I do understand; any people suffering from a 47 year long military occupation would be hard pressed to do otherwise. The Palestinians should march, everyday, in non-violent protests, walking from checkpoint to checkpoint. At this point, the only thing they can do is shame Israel, to get the rest of the world to apply enough pressure until they get peace. It worked for Gandhi, it worked for Nelson Mandela, and it worked for Martin Luther King Jr. Firing rockets at Israel does nothing but feed the status quo, and the same applies for when Israel turns Gaza into rubble.

Israel has all of the power here. Israel can do better, and being the one in power, they have the responsibility to do better. Don't you think they can do better? Shouldn't they try to do better?

Or are you just so lacking in basic human empathy?




[Image: E3WvRwZ.gif]
Find all posts by this user
Like Post Quote this message in a reply
06-08-2014, 02:59 PM
RE: Should America Support Israel?
(06-08-2014 01:39 PM)zaybu Wrote:  
(06-08-2014 01:21 PM)EvolutionKills Wrote:  Germany did, after the first World War, because of how the Allies dicked them around at the Treaty of Versaille; and look at how well that worked out.

Neither of them have since, because after the disastrous end of the First World War, America and her allies wised the fuck up and helped to rebuild Germany and Japan instead of burying them and their post-war economies with war reparations.

Israel has the power, the ability, and the resources to pursue peace without slaughtering thousands of civilians by bombing the fuck out of the worlds largest open-air prison (that, incidentally, they created). But they don't want to. Right now the right-wing conservative hawks are in power and very popular. Why pursue a two state solution? Right now they have all of the power, all of the rights; and the Palestinians have jack shit. If they just maintain the status quo as they have been doing for almost 5 decades, they can just keep taking more and more land without giving anything back; and they know they'll get away with it.

Israel doesn't want peace, they are happy with the status quo; the staus quo has them in charge and with all the power.

There cannot be any talk of peace when your enemy has worn to destroy you. The reparation in Germany and Japan took place AFTER these two countries had surrendered unconditionally. Right now, the Palestinians are not ready to do that, lay down their arms, stop the fighting and surrender unconditionally. They still believe they can win the war, not matter how unrealistic that is. And so any talk of peace or reparation with the Palestinians is futlie.

Except, Israel blocks every attempt at diplomacy. Israel freaked out whenever the Palestinians attempted to gain UN recognition. Israel claimed that they couldn't negotiate unless they had a government to negotiate with. Once Gaza and the West Bank finally had unified government's able to negotiate, Israel claims that it can't negotiate with terrorists (keeping in mind that nobody has clean hands here, and both sides are guilty of war crimes and terrorism). Before this they claimed they couldn't negotiate with the unified government's. After this, they'll claim that they can't negotiate because the Palestinians are divided.

How can you negotiate when the side that has all of the power refuses to negotiate? Even now, that option is within Israel's power, but instead they opt to kill thousands of civilians.

The only way this would be close to what happened in Germany or Japan would be if the Allies continued to bomb the shit out of those countries for decades, refused to ever let them rebuild themselves, and always had an excuse to never negotiate with the tattered remnants (The Germans continue to fire V2 rockets at London! The Japanese continue kamikaze attacks in the name of their Emperor!).

[Image: E3WvRwZ.gif]
Find all posts by this user
Like Post Quote this message in a reply
06-08-2014, 05:13 PM
RE: Should America Support Israel?
(06-08-2014 02:59 PM)EvolutionKills Wrote:  
(06-08-2014 01:39 PM)zaybu Wrote:  There cannot be any talk of peace when your enemy has worn to destroy you. The reparation in Germany and Japan took place AFTER these two countries had surrendered unconditionally. Right now, the Palestinians are not ready to do that, lay down their arms, stop the fighting and surrender unconditionally. They still believe they can win the war, not matter how unrealistic that is. And so any talk of peace or reparation with the Palestinians is futlie.

Except, Israel blocks every attempt at diplomacy. Israel freaked out whenever the Palestinians attempted to gain UN recognition. Israel claimed that they couldn't negotiate unless they had a government to negotiate with. Once Gaza and the West Bank finally had unified government's able to negotiate, Israel claims that it can't negotiate with terrorists (keeping in mind that nobody has clean hands here, and both sides are guilty of war crimes and terrorism). Before this they claimed they couldn't negotiate with the unified government's. After this, they'll claim that they can't negotiate because the Palestinians are divided.

How can you negotiate when the side that has all of the power refuses to negotiate? Even now, that option is within Israel's power, but instead they opt to kill thousands of civilians.

The only way this would be close to what happened in Germany or Japan would be if the Allies continued to bomb the shit out of those countries for decades, refused to ever let them rebuild themselves, and always had an excuse to never negotiate with the tattered remnants (The Germans continue to fire V2 rockets at London! The Japanese continue kamikaze attacks in the name of their Emperor!).

The war has been going on for 66 years, and it might take another 66 years to build any trust between the two sides. Israel does not want to see a full state simply because of Palestinian history: we've had 2006,2008, 2012 and now 2014 where Israel limited their bombings, hoping the Palestinians would come to reason and do what is categorically needed: stop the war and fully recognize the state of Israel. Is Hamas willing to do that? I think not. Instead, they have re-armed, and most likely will do so after this truce, and then increase their attacks. So, of course Israel will do whatever it takes to stall the formation of a Palestinian state, knowing full well that Palestinians have never deterred from their stated intention of seeing the destruction of the state of Israel. Diplomacy is futile with an enemy that has sworn your destruction.

My blog
Visit this user's website Find all posts by this user
Like Post Quote this message in a reply
[+] 1 user Likes zaybu's post
06-08-2014, 11:02 PM (This post was last modified: 06-08-2014 11:08 PM by EvolutionKills.)
RE: Should America Support Israel?
(06-08-2014 05:13 PM)zaybu Wrote:  
(06-08-2014 02:59 PM)EvolutionKills Wrote:  Except, Israel blocks every attempt at diplomacy. Israel freaked out whenever the Palestinians attempted to gain UN recognition. Israel claimed that they couldn't negotiate unless they had a government to negotiate with. Once Gaza and the West Bank finally had unified government's able to negotiate, Israel claims that it can't negotiate with terrorists (keeping in mind that nobody has clean hands here, and both sides are guilty of war crimes and terrorism). Before this they claimed they couldn't negotiate with the unified government's. After this, they'll claim that they can't negotiate because the Palestinians are divided.

How can you negotiate when the side that has all of the power refuses to negotiate? Even now, that option is within Israel's power, but instead they opt to kill thousands of civilians.

The only way this would be close to what happened in Germany or Japan would be if the Allies continued to bomb the shit out of those countries for decades, refused to ever let them rebuild themselves, and always had an excuse to never negotiate with the tattered remnants (The Germans continue to fire V2 rockets at London! The Japanese continue kamikaze attacks in the name of their Emperor!).
The war has been going on for 66 years, and it might take another 66 years to build any trust between the two sides. Israel does not want to see a full state simply because of Palestinian history: we've had 2006,2008, 2012 and now 2014 where Israel limited their bombings, hoping the Palestinians would come to reason and do what is categorically needed: stop the war and fully recognize the state of Israel. Is Hamas willing to do that? I think not. Instead, they have re-armed, and most likely will do so after this truce, and then increase their attacks. So, of course Israel will do whatever it takes to stall the formation of a Palestinian state, knowing full well that Palestinians have never deterred from their stated intention of seeing the destruction of the state of Israel. Diplomacy is futile with an enemy that has sworn your destruction.


For starters, stop fucking equating Hamas with ALL Palestinians; it's disingenuous in the extreme. The vast majority currently being killed are innocent civilians and children, not armed militants.

Once again fucknuts, the Likud Party (yes, Netanyahu's party) that is in power in Israel states in their own Charter that there never will be a Palestinian state. Israel is not the white knight here, nobody is innocent, nobody has clean hands. Israel has all of the power, and they are making unreasonable demands of those with no power, and when those demands are not met using that as an excuse to maintain the status quo; that being the mass 'accidental' killing of civilians, the continued marginalization of Palestinians, and the confiscation of more of their land.

Since at least 2005, the deaths in the 'conflict' have been 96% Palestinian to 4% Israeli, and the vast majority of those Palestinian deaths were innocent civilians. That means that one Israeli dies for every 24 Palestinians killed; and once again, the vast majority are innocent civilians. Almost everyone alive now in Gaza was born into a state of military occupation, occupying a sliver of land a fraction the size of Los Angles with 1.8 million of their fellow prisoners. What option do the Palestinians have? The Israelis have torpedoed almost every attempt at peace. Even now the most conciliatory Palestinian leader ever, Mahmoud Abbas, is having his own authority and popularity in the West Bank sabotaged now by Israel's actions in Gaza. The people are angry, the conflict only helps to make more popular those who advocate fighting. If Israel truly wants a lasting peace with a population that swears off of war, then bombing Gaza is the absolute last thing they should do. But of course they (unlike you) know this, and that is the whole goddamn point. The is doing nothing but further splitting apart and dividing the Palestinians in the West Bank and Gaza so that they cannot represent a united front; so that Israel can continue their unilateral actions. It's a scenario where Israel has all of the power, and they maintain their monopoly on power by maintaining the status quo; civilian causalities be damned.

If you are okay with the this line of action, the acceptance of the deaths of thousands of innocent civilians and children so that Israel doesn't have have to concede anything; then you lack sufficient empathy for the well-being of your fellow human beings, and I can't help you.

[Image: E3WvRwZ.gif]
Find all posts by this user
Like Post Quote this message in a reply
07-08-2014, 05:53 AM
RE: Should America Support Israel?
(06-08-2014 11:02 PM)EvolutionKills Wrote:  
(06-08-2014 05:13 PM)zaybu Wrote:  The war has been going on for 66 years, and it might take another 66 years to build any trust between the two sides. Israel does not want to see a full state simply because of Palestinian history: we've had 2006,2008, 2012 and now 2014 where Israel limited their bombings, hoping the Palestinians would come to reason and do what is categorically needed: stop the war and fully recognize the state of Israel. Is Hamas willing to do that? I think not. Instead, they have re-armed, and most likely will do so after this truce, and then increase their attacks. So, of course Israel will do whatever it takes to stall the formation of a Palestinian state, knowing full well that Palestinians have never deterred from their stated intention of seeing the destruction of the state of Israel. Diplomacy is futile with an enemy that has sworn your destruction.


For starters, stop fucking equating Hamas with ALL Palestinians; it's disingenuous in the extreme. The vast majority currently being killed are innocent civilians and children, not armed militants.

Wrong, "innocent" Palestinian is a rare breed. The Palestinians know fully well who are those that are launching those rockets. They either tacitly agree or are actively enabling them to carry their attacks on Israel. And so they are as guilty as the attackers.



Quote:Israel has all of the power, and they are making unreasonable demands of those with no power, and when those demands are not met using that as an excuse to maintain the status quo; that being the mass 'accidental' killing of civilians, the continued marginalization of Palestinians, and the confiscation of more of their land.

There's no accidental killing. As this is being played out in the American media, Israel cannot afford to alienate the American public, so there is a need to portray that Israel is taking every precaution to minimize suffering. But the reality of putting an end to this war is to maximize suffering. So the Israeli leadership has to walk a fine line. But make no mistake, the Israelis only wish their hands weren't shackled by the Americans. They would gladly do a lot more damage.


Quote:Since at least 2005, the deaths in the 'conflict' have been 96% Palestinian to 4% Israeli, and the vast majority of those Palestinian deaths were innocent civilians. That means that one Israeli dies for every 24 Palestinians killed; and once again, the vast majority are innocent civilians. Almost everyone alive now in Gaza was born into a state of military occupation, occupying a sliver of land a fraction the size of Los Angles with 1.8 million of their fellow prisoners. What option do the Palestinians have? The Israelis have torpedoed almost every attempt at peace. Even now the most conciliatory Palestinian leader ever, Mahmoud Abbas, is having his own authority and popularity in the West Bank sabotaged now by Israel's actions in Gaza. The people are angry, the conflict only helps to make more popular those who advocate fighting. If Israel truly wants a lasting peace with a population that swears off of war, then bombing Gaza is the absolute last thing they should do. But of course they (unlike you) know this, and that is the whole goddamn point. The is doing nothing but further splitting apart and dividing the Palestinians in the West Bank and Gaza so that they cannot represent a united front; so that Israel can continue their unilateral actions. It's a scenario where Israel has all of the power, and they maintain their monopoly on power by maintaining the status quo; civilian causalities be damned.

It was the Palestinians that declared war in 1948 not the other way around, a fact you can easily find by reading your history books. And they are still at war. The Palestinians alone are to blame for their self-inflicted misery. No one else.


Quote:If you are okay with the this line of action, the acceptance of the deaths of thousands of innocent civilians and children so that Israel doesn't have have to concede anything; then you lack sufficient empathy for the well-being of your fellow human beings, and I can't help you.

Why don't you talk to your Palestinian friends and tell them to stop their needless war. It would go a long way to solve this.

My blog
Visit this user's website Find all posts by this user
Like Post Quote this message in a reply
07-08-2014, 06:31 AM (This post was last modified: 07-08-2014 07:10 AM by EvolutionKills.)
RE: Should America Support Israel?
(07-08-2014 05:53 AM)zaybu Wrote:  
(06-08-2014 11:02 PM)EvolutionKills Wrote:  For starters, stop fucking equating Hamas with ALL Palestinians; it's disingenuous in the extreme. The vast majority currently being killed are innocent civilians and children, not armed militants.
Wrong, "innocent" Palestinian is a rare breed. The Palestinians know fully well who are those that are launching those rockets. They either tacitly agree or are actively enabling them to carry their attacks on Israel. And so they are as guilty as the attackers.


Fuck you, people are innocent until proven guilty. You are advocating for collective punishment of civilians, resulting in their suffering and deaths, to get at the relatively small number of armed militants that are actually attempting to fight back. That level of callous disregard for your fellow humans is what allows bullshit like this to perpetuate itself.

Did the literally hundred of dead children deserve their fate? What was their crime? Near as I can tell, the only crime they committed was being unlucky enough to have been born in Palestine. They were not guilty, nor can be they rationally be held responsible, for the supposed crimes of their parents, their parents before them, or any of their other fellow prisoners. The children don't even have the option to escape, they cannot leave Gaza even if they wanted to. You sound just like the religious fundamentalist that tie themselves in knots trying to excuse their God from the culpability of killing an entire planet's worth of children in the Flood of Noah. It's bullshit when they try to excuse god's responsibility, and it's the same bulshit when you attempt to excuse Israel's. Such reasoning is so devoid of empathy it is bordering on psychopathy.

You are part of the fucking problem.

People who think like you is why there is no peace.


(07-08-2014 05:53 AM)zaybu Wrote:  
(06-08-2014 11:02 PM)EvolutionKills Wrote:  Israel has all of the power, and they are making unreasonable demands of those with no power, and when those demands are not met using that as an excuse to maintain the status quo; that being the mass 'accidental' killing of civilians, the continued marginalization of Palestinians, and the confiscation of more of their land.
There's no accidental killing. As this is being played out in the American media, Israel cannot afford to alienate the American public, so there is a need to portray that Israel is taking every precaution to minimize suffering. But the reality of putting an end to this war is to maximize suffering. So the Israeli leadership has to walk a fine line. But make no mistake, the Israelis only wish their hands weren't shackled by the Americans. They would gladly do a lot more damage.


Played out in the American media? Are you fucking daft, or do you just enjoy making shit up? Not in the mainstream, not by a longshot. Outside of independant sources, nobody is really holding Israel accountable. The establishment line is to support Israel unconditionally, and the establishment gives the mainstream media their marching orders.

Every fucking precaution to minimize suffering? No, they are not. Not dropping bombs or firing artillery into civilian targets is an option, and it is one they are not exercising. Fuck your disingenuous bullshit, you fail to make coherent sense on your own terms.

The Israelis are smarter than you give them credit for, as the IDF could easily wipe out Hamas if it truly desired. The catch is (which you still fail to grasp), they don't want to. Destroying Hamas would mean destroying the boogeyman their conservatives use to rally the Israeli people around them and keep themselves in power. The IDF will eventually withdraw after they think they have caused enough damage to kowtow the militants, but leave enough alive (and enough terrified, vengeful survivors) to ensure that there will be more 'terrorists' to fight again later; once again, for political gain. It is a simple system they use to generate power through fear. War and fear always benefits the warmongers on both sides. The Likud Party and Hamas are both gaining from the death of the civilians, but only one of them has any real power (and thus the responsibility) to do things differently.

Israel has shown, consistently, that it chooses not to.

If the Israelis truly desired peace, they would not be bombing the shit out of civilians; almost guaranteeing that they will be pushing into the extremist fold because they have been left with no other option. Where is the diplomatic solution here? There isn't one, and Israel has consistently avoided it because diplomacy would require them to relinquish some of their power; and right now they have all of it and see no reason to give any of it up.



(07-08-2014 05:53 AM)zaybu Wrote:  
(06-08-2014 11:02 PM)EvolutionKills Wrote:  Since at least 2005, the deaths in the 'conflict' have been 96% Palestinian to 4% Israeli, and the vast majority of those Palestinian deaths were innocent civilians. That means that one Israeli dies for every 24 Palestinians killed; and once again, the vast majority are innocent civilians. Almost everyone alive now in Gaza was born into a state of military occupation, occupying a sliver of land a fraction the size of Los Angles with 1.8 million of their fellow prisoners. What option do the Palestinians have? The Israelis have torpedoed almost every attempt at peace. Even now the most conciliatory Palestinian leader ever, Mahmoud Abbas, is having his own authority and popularity in the West Bank sabotaged now by Israel's actions in Gaza. The people are angry, the conflict only helps to make more popular those who advocate fighting. If Israel truly wants a lasting peace with a population that swears off of war, then bombing Gaza is the absolute last thing they should do. But of course they (unlike you) know this, and that is the whole goddamn point. The is doing nothing but further splitting apart and dividing the Palestinians in the West Bank and Gaza so that they cannot represent a united front; so that Israel can continue their unilateral actions. It's a scenario where Israel has all of the power, and they maintain their monopoly on power by maintaining the status quo; civilian causalities be damned.
It was the Palestinians that declared war in 1948 not the other way around, a fact you can easily find by reading your history books. And they are still at war. The Palestinians alone are to blame for their self-inflicted misery. No one else.

Imagine an elementary teaching coming upon two boys fighting during recess. One boy is pummeling the other into the ground, the boy on top easily being a foot taller and a good 50 pounds heavier. After the teacher breaks up the fight, she ask what happened that lead up to this fight. The bigger kid explains that it all started a month ago whenever he demanded that the smaller boy hand over his lunch money, and the smaller boy refused. Ever since then, he's simply been taking it by force, and occasionally he beats him up at recess hoping that eventually the kid will 'learn' to just hand it over voluntarily.

Would this at all fly as justification for the current playground fight?

If you think that the killing of civilians, who for all intents and purposes are prisoners born into the world's largest open-air prison, is justifiable because of the actions of their countrymen took more than half a century ago; you are a fucked in the head sadist. You are deep in "Yahweh kills the children for the sins of their father's" territory; it's bullshit when religious apologist pull it out to defend god, it's still bullshit when Israeli apologist use it to defend that nation's actions.



(07-08-2014 05:53 AM)zaybu Wrote:  
(06-08-2014 11:02 PM)EvolutionKills Wrote:  If you are okay with the this line of action, the acceptance of the deaths of thousands of innocent civilians and children so that Israel doesn't have have to concede anything; then you lack sufficient empathy for the well-being of your fellow human beings, and I can't help you.
Why don't you talk to your Palestinian friends and tell them to stop their needless war. It would go a long way to solve this.

Stop it? How? Every time Israel has made reasonable demands for peace that have been met (such as the formation of democratically elected unified governments to negotiate with), they have moved the goal-post (can't negotiate because Hamas are terrorist, ignoring that Israel's action make them terrorists as well). Once again, if it's bullshit for a religious apologist; it's still bullshit for an Israeli apologist.

The war is needless, but it fuels the warmongers on both sides. Netanyahu is more popular than ever, and Hamas has seen a surge in support (which had been severely waning in the peace before the offensive). What would he gain out of a peace deal or a 2 State solution? The fear of the status quo keeps him in power, what incentive does he have to change course? They have every reason to maintain this vicious cycle of occupation, much like the last 47 years. They have all of the power, and as long as they (and the rest of the world) are complacent in their war crimes; they will continue to just maintain the status quo.

Fuck, you are ignorant...





[Image: E3WvRwZ.gif]
Find all posts by this user
Like Post Quote this message in a reply
07-08-2014, 07:25 AM (This post was last modified: 07-08-2014 07:30 AM by zaybu.)
RE: Should America Support Israel?
(07-08-2014 06:31 AM)EvolutionKills Wrote:  Fuck you, people are innocent until proven guilty. You are advocating for collective punishment of civilians, resulting in their suffering and deaths, to get at the relatively small number of armed militants that are actually attempting to fight back. That level of callous disregard for your fellow humans is what allows bullshit like this to perpetuate itself.

First, this is war, not a court case. Secondly, the Palestinians elected Hamas, whose first article is the destruction of the state of Israel. Palestinians are as guilty as Hamas. End of story.

Quote:Did the literally hundred of dead children deserve their fate? What was their crime? Near as I can tell, the only crime they committed was being unlucky enough to have been born in Palestine. They were not guilty, nor can be they rationally be held responsible, for the supposed crimes of their parents, their parents before them, or any of their other fellow prisoners.

The Palestinians are responsible for their own doings. Stop apologizing for them.


Quote:You sound just like the religious fundamentalist that tie themselves in knots trying to excuse their God from the culpability of killing an entire planet's worth of children in the Flood of Noah. It's bullshit when they try to excuse god's responsibility, and it's the same bulshit when you attempt to excuse Israel's. Such reasoning is so devoid of empathy it is bordering on psychopathy.

Religion has very little to do with what is happening in that region. But don't let the facts get in your way.

The Palestinians declared war in 1948, that's a fact. That they have continue this war since then, that's a fact. That they have sworn the destruction of the state of Israel, that's a fact. That they either tacitly approve or even enable Hamas to carry its attack on Israel, that's a fact.

Quote:You are part of the fucking problem.

A statement without evidence can be easily dismissed without evidence.


Quote:The Israelis are smarter than you give them credit for, as the IDF could easily wipe out Hamas if it truly desired. The catch is (which you still fail to grasp), they don't want to. Destroying Hamas would mean destroying the boogeyman their conservatives use to rally the Israeli people around them and keep themselves in power. The IDF will eventually withdraw after they think they have caused enough damage to kowtow the militants, but leave enough alive (and enough terrified, vengeful survivors) to ensure that there will be more 'terrorists' to fight again later; once again, for political gain. It is a simple system they use to generate power through fear. War and fear always benefits the warmongers on both sides. The Likud Party and Hamas are both gaining from the death of the civilians, but only one of them has any real power (and thus the responsibility) to do things differently.

Israel has shown, consistently, that it chooses not to.

Nice conspiracy theory you have there.




Quote:
(07-08-2014 05:53 AM)zaybu Wrote:  It was the Palestinians that declared war in 1948 not the other way around, a fact you can easily find by reading your history books. And they are still at war. The Palestinians alone are to blame for their self-inflicted misery. No one else.

Imagine an elementary teaching coming upon two boys fighting during recess. One boy is pummeling the other into the ground, the boy on top easily being a foot taller and a good 50 pounds heavier. After the teacher breaks up the fight, she ask what happened that lead up to this fight. The bigger kid explains that it all started a month ago whenever he demanded that the smaller boy hand over his lunch money, and the smaller boy refused. Ever since then, he's simply been taking it by force, and occasionally he beats him up at recess hoping that eventually the kid will 'learn' to just hand it over voluntarily.

Would this at all fly as justification for the current playground fight?

Nice scenario you have concocted but it has nothing in common with what's happening in the ME.When the Palestinians decide to end their war then there will be a chance for peace. But I'm not holding my breath on that.






Quote:If you think that the killing of civilians, who for all intents and purposes are prisoners born into the world's largest open-air prison, is justifiable because of the actions of their countrymen took more than half a century ago; you are a fucked in the head sadist. You are deep in "Yahweh kills the children for the sins of their father's" territory; it's bullshit when religious apologist pull it out to defend god, it's still bullshit when Israeli apologist use it to defend that nation's actions.

Those civilians are anything BUT innocent. When they throw down their arms and clamp down on those who won't, then you will have a point. Right now, you are completely clueless as to what is going on there.

My blog
Visit this user's website Find all posts by this user
Like Post Quote this message in a reply
07-08-2014, 08:29 AM (This post was last modified: 07-08-2014 08:41 AM by EvolutionKills.)
RE: Should America Support Israel?
(07-08-2014 07:25 AM)zaybu Wrote:  
(07-08-2014 06:31 AM)EvolutionKills Wrote:  Fuck you, people are innocent until proven guilty. You are advocating for collective punishment of civilians, resulting in their suffering and deaths, to get at the relatively small number of armed militants that are actually attempting to fight back. That level of callous disregard for your fellow humans is what allows bullshit like this to perpetuate itself.
First, this is war, not a court case. Secondly, the Palestinians elected Hamas, whose first article is the destruction of the state of Israel. Palestinians are as guilty as Hamas. End of story.

Americans (and note even the majority) voted Bush into the Presidency. Bush started a war with Iraq. So Iraqi terrorists would be justified in killing American civilians because 'they' elected Bush.

You are a fucking idiot.



(07-08-2014 07:25 AM)zaybu Wrote:  
(07-08-2014 06:31 AM)EvolutionKills Wrote:  Did the literally hundred of dead children deserve their fate? What was their crime? Near as I can tell, the only crime they committed was being unlucky enough to have been born in Palestine. They were not guilty, nor can be they rationally be held responsible, for the supposed crimes of their parents, their parents before them, or any of their other fellow prisoners.
The Palestinians are responsible for their own doings. Stop apologizing for them.


You are a psychopath that justifies the death of children by blaming them for actions beyond their control.

You are a fucked in the head sadist, as stupidly ignorant as any fundamental religious apologist.



(07-08-2014 07:25 AM)zaybu Wrote:  
(07-08-2014 06:31 AM)EvolutionKills Wrote:  You sound just like the religious fundamentalist that tie themselves in knots trying to excuse their God from the culpability of killing an entire planet's worth of children in the Flood of Noah. It's bullshit when they try to excuse god's responsibility, and it's the same bulshit when you attempt to excuse Israel's. Such reasoning is so devoid of empathy it is bordering on psychopathy.
Religion has very little to do with what is happening in that region. But don't let the facts get in your way.

The Palestinians declared war in 1948, that's a fact. That they have continue this war since then, that's a fact. That they have sworn the destruction of the state of Israel, that's a fact. That they either tacitly approve or even enable Hamas to carry its attack on Israel, that's a fact.


You are reasoning like a religious apologist (which is to say, poorly or not at all), that's a fact.

Israel is at 'war' with a country that doesn't exist, that's a fact.

But it's not a 'war', it is occupation that has been condemned by the UN as a violation of international law; that is a fact.

Israel has been occupying, enforcing direct control, over the Palestinian people for almost 5 decades straight; that is a fact.

The Likud Party in power in Israel has written into their Charter that they never want Palestinians to ever have their own nation; that is a fact.

The vast majority of civilians in Gaza and the West Bank just want to go about their daily lives and routines without fearing for their lives, they are not Islamic jihadists; that is a fact.

You are very good at ignoring the facts that don't support your desired narrative.



(07-08-2014 07:25 AM)zaybu Wrote:  
(07-08-2014 06:31 AM)EvolutionKills Wrote:  You are part of the fucking problem.
A statement without evidence can be easily dismissed without evidence.


You lack empathy, and can't reason yourself out of a wet paperbag. You are justifying the murder of children with the same fallacies as a religious fundamentalist would use to excuse their god of responsibility for atrocities. You sound like a religious fundamentalist, you are reasoning like a religious fundamentalist, your are thinking like a religious fundamentalist.

The evidence is your own posts fucktard.



(07-08-2014 07:25 AM)zaybu Wrote:  
(07-08-2014 06:31 AM)EvolutionKills Wrote:  The Israelis are smarter than you give them credit for, as the IDF could easily wipe out Hamas if it truly desired. The catch is (which you still fail to grasp), they don't want to. Destroying Hamas would mean destroying the boogeyman their conservatives use to rally the Israeli people around them and keep themselves in power. The IDF will eventually withdraw after they think they have caused enough damage to kowtow the militants, but leave enough alive (and enough terrified, vengeful survivors) to ensure that there will be more 'terrorists' to fight again later; once again, for political gain. It is a simple system they use to generate power through fear. War and fear always benefits the warmongers on both sides. The Likud Party and Hamas are both gaining from the death of the civilians, but only one of them has any real power (and thus the responsibility) to do things differently.

Israel has shown, consistently, that it chooses not to.
Nice conspiracy theory you have there.

If Israel's goal was peace, they failed miserably. If their goal was increased security, they have also failed miserably. If however their goal was an increase in popular support for warmongers? Then mission accomplished, as that is the only thing Israel has accomplished. Netanyahu has gained popularity, and ensured the creation of more militant opposition to do so again in the future.

Conspiracy? Did you know that the Israeli government knew that the 3 kidnapped kids (who were the catalyst for the incursion) had been killed, and most likely not by Hamas, before the fighting actually started? And that they purposely hid that information from the public? Of course not, because the truth is now a 'conspiracy' because it disagrees with your preferred narrative.

I'm not the only one that sees it, so does the UK's International Development Committee.

Today a British parliamentary committee said excessive Israeli restrictions on Palestinian territories cannot be justified on the grounds they protect the Jewish state.

"We challenge the assertion that restrictions which curtail economic development in the OPTs [Occupied Palestinian Territories] are based on Israel's security needs and can be justified on security grounds," the report by the International Development Committee said.

last month UN rights chief Navi Pillay said Israel's military actions in the Gaza Strip could amount to war crimes, while also condemning indiscriminate rocket attacks by Palestinian militants Hamas.

"There seems to be a strong possibility that international law has been violated, in a manner that could amount to war crimes," Pillay told an emergency session on Israel's Gaza offensive at the UN Human Rights Council, citing attacks that have killed Palestinian civilians, including children.

She said Israeli children and other civilians also had a right to live without constant fear of rocket attacks.

"Once again, the principles of distinction and precaution are clearly not being observed during such indiscriminate attacks on civilian areas by Hamas and other armed Palestinian groups," she said.
The British parliamentary paper expressed particular concern about the situation in Hebron, the Palestinian city in the southern West Bank.

"We were shocked by what we saw during our visit to Hebron. While we fully appreciate Israel's security concerns, these in no way justify the present restrictions on Palestinians in Hebron, which affect their livelihoods, economic development and security," the report said.

The group, which monitors the British government's ministry of international development, called for London and Europe to speak out against restrictions that prevent economic development "as a matter of urgency".

The call comes a day after Baroness Sayeeda Warsi resigned as a government minister in protest at what she said was a "morally indefensible" failure by the government to condemn Israel's killing of civilians in Gaza.

The lifting of an eight-year blockade of Gaza has been a key demand of Islamist group Hamas for peace.

But West Bank restrictions in particular, such as the prevention of Palestinian businesses investing in the Israeli-controlled zone, should be opposed by Britain and other European countries, the report said.

It added that issues such as greater access to water and construction permits should be addressed regardless of the current conflict, which has killed 1,875 Palestinians including 430 children, 64 Israeli soldiers and three civilians in Israel.

The committee said it was "extremely concerned" that Israel could further expand settlements, and said Britain and other European countries should "stress to the Israeli authorities the unacceptability of the present situation".

The British government should also examine whether guidelines on the labelling of produce made in Israeli settlements to allow consumers to avoid buying them has been implemented by retailers, the report said.


http://www.sbs.com.au/news/storystream/g...tend-truce



(07-08-2014 07:25 AM)zaybu Wrote:  
(07-08-2014 06:31 AM)EvolutionKills Wrote:  Imagine an elementary teaching coming upon two boys fighting during recess. One boy is pummeling the other into the ground, the boy on top easily being a foot taller and a good 50 pounds heavier. After the teacher breaks up the fight, she ask what happened that lead up to this fight. The bigger kid explains that it all started a month ago whenever he demanded that the smaller boy hand over his lunch money, and the smaller boy refused. Ever since then, he's simply been taking it by force, and occasionally he beats him up at recess hoping that eventually the kid will 'learn' to just hand it over voluntarily.

Would this at all fly as justification for the current playground fight?
Nice scenario you have concocted but it has nothing in common with what's happening in the ME.When the Palestinians decide to end their war then there will be a chance for peace. But I'm not holding my breath on that.

It shows just how facile your reasoning is, so it has everything to do with what you have been posting. All you have done is dodge answering the point raised by the analogy instead of addressing it; very weaksauce.

So Israel has all of the power, Israel can choose to pursue other options. Israel could lift the blockade, they could offer amnesty and allow Palestinians to assimilate into society, they could help them rebuild themselves instead of shelling and bombing the shit out of them. Israel could offer them a hand, instead of a fist. Israel, as the side in power (by orders of magnitude) has the responsibility to do better; and they choose not to.

And here you are, claiming that Israel is so weak, they they are unable to do anything but bomb the shit out of civilians and children until Hamas surrenders unconditionally. That is unreasonable, and it is precisely because it is unreasonable is why it is being demanded; because it's not going to happen. You call it a 'war', I call it an occupation; because if it really is a war then the IDF is the most inept military force on the planet, and they are emphatically just the opposite. What nation is Israel at war with? They're at 'war' with the blockaded citizens of the world's largest open-air prison, that incidentally they control access to.

Does the conservative Likud Party want peace? No, since the fighting their approval has only gone up; they are the party of war, they gain nothing from peace.

Negotiating is not making a long list of demands and expecting the other side to concede unilaterally. Negotiations require compromise, and both you and those in power in Israel show that you are not willing to compromise. So long as those in power are unwilling to accept anything less than absolution, this conflict will never end.



(07-08-2014 07:25 AM)zaybu Wrote:  
(07-08-2014 06:31 AM)EvolutionKills Wrote:  If you think that the killing of civilians, who for all intents and purposes are prisoners born into the world's largest open-air prison, is justifiable because of the actions of their countrymen took more than half a century ago; you are a fucked in the head sadist. You are deep in "Yahweh kills the children for the sins of their father's" territory; it's bullshit when religious apologist pull it out to defend god, it's still bullshit when Israeli apologist use it to defend that nation's actions.
Those civilians are anything BUT innocent. When they throw down their arms and clamp down on those who won't, then you will have a point. Right now, you are completely clueless as to what is going on there.

You fucking psychopath. If they were all guilty as charged, if all 1.8 million Palestinians were armed militant Jihadist; I'm pretty sure they would have cause far more damage than just killing 64 Israeli soldiers and 3 civilians. For the record the Palestinians have lost 1875 people, about 75% of which were non-combatants, and 430 of which were children.

430 children whose only crime was being born in the wrong place at the wrong time, into a situation where those in power lack any empathy or concern for their well being.

Fuck you.

[Image: E3WvRwZ.gif]
Find all posts by this user
Like Post Quote this message in a reply
Post Reply
Forum Jump: