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24-04-2013, 12:06 PM
Should I read Lawrence Krauss?
Recently I bought Lawrence Krauss' A Universe From Nothing, though I haven't yet read it. However, I came across an article on Jerry Coyne's blog and though Krauss isn't the main subject, it does mention someone's scathing review of the book which criticises it on two accounts: Krauss's nothing isn't really nothing, and Krauss doesn't explain where the physical laws come from. In the comments section others also say that Krauss doesn't really talk about the concept of "nothing" all that much. You'd get a better conveyance of what I mean to say if you took a gander at the article and comments yourself. Here's the link: http://whyevolutionistrue.wordpress.com/...-big-time/

Once you've done so, my questions are these: are these criticisms valid, and should I bother to read the book now if it is as flawed as some of these people say it is? I'm not learned in science to a great degree, more a layman, so don't get too technical if you reply Tongue.

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24-04-2013, 08:25 PM
RE: Should I read Lawrence Krauss?
Never let other people's opinions keep you from experiencing something for yourself. For all you know, it may become your all-time favorite book. Internet users will always bitch, usually because the idea offends some nature of their religion or political roots. Hell, Ben Stein criticizes the theory of evolution because it doesn't explain abiogenesis or the laws of nature - 2 things which have nothing to do with evolution.

Now, I own and have read Universe from Nothing and I would just state that Lawrence Krauss is a physicist, not a writer. So my biggest irk was that I felt like I was pouring over notes in a scientific journal. But you already bought the damn thing, might as well read it.


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24-04-2013, 09:15 PM
RE: Should I read Lawrence Krauss?
(24-04-2013 12:06 PM)TheAmazingAustralopithecus Wrote:  Recently I bought Lawrence Krauss' A Universe From Nothing, though I haven't yet read it. However, I came across an article on Jerry Coyne's blog and though Krauss isn't the main subject, it does mention someone's scathing review of the book which criticises it on two accounts: Krauss's nothing isn't really nothing, and Krauss doesn't explain where the physical laws come from. In the comments section others also say that Krauss doesn't really talk about the concept of "nothing" all that much. You'd get a better conveyance of what I mean to say if you took a gander at the article and comments yourself. Here's the link: http://whyevolutionistrue.wordpress.com/...-big-time/

Once you've done so, my questions are these: are these criticisms valid, and should I bother to read the book now if it is as flawed as some of these people say it is? I'm not learned in science to a great degree, more a layman, so don't get too technical if you reply Tongue.

It's a great book. In this universe, there is no such thing as "nothing". He shows why that is true. Just because the Metaphysicians/Philosophers made the mistake of assuming there was something called "nothing" does not mean it really exists. The universe has been proven to not be what humans see as "logical".
As far as "where did the laws come from ?", too bad.NO one has the answer to that yet.

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24-04-2013, 10:02 PM
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Thanks for the useful replies Smile. I don't know if the critic was religious but he was a physicist too I think. And some people also said he skips over the idea of nothing, though from what you've said I realise why it would seem like he did even though he didn't.

I shall indeed read the book now, it seems those critics were flawed. I realise I shouldn't just judge a book based on reviews or criticisms before reading it but I must admit it puts me off. Now I realise said critics were wrong so I'll read the book and form my own judgements. Though that comment about it being very scientific has put me off again. As I said, I'm a layman when it comes to science so I can't grasp the technical-need-a-doctorate-in-physics-to-comprehend stuff Tongue. But I'll give it a go anyhow.

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24-04-2013, 10:09 PM
RE: Should I read Lawrence Krauss?
Well... fuck yea! He's dreamy. Shy

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24-04-2013, 10:16 PM
RE: Should I read Lawrence Krauss?
(24-04-2013 10:09 PM)kim Wrote:  Well... fuck yea! He's dreamy. Shy

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I suppose Joseph Stalin would be considered attractive in his younger days...

But that ain't a reason to kill millions of people xD.

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24-04-2013, 10:20 PM
RE: Should I read Lawrence Krauss?
(24-04-2013 10:16 PM)TheAmazingAustralopithecus Wrote:  
(24-04-2013 10:09 PM)kim Wrote:  Well... fuck yea! He's dreamy. Shy

[Image: dylfi.jpg]

I suppose Joseph Stalin would be considered attractive in his younger days...

But that ain't a reason to kill millions of people xD.

Doesn't mean I wouldn't read his book. That retard Hitler killed a shit load of people and I read his book.

Dreamy isn't always about what's on the outside... Krauss talks about the stars... that's about as dreamy as one can get. Wink

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24-04-2013, 10:22 PM
RE: Should I read Lawrence Krauss?
(24-04-2013 10:20 PM)kim Wrote:  
(24-04-2013 10:16 PM)TheAmazingAustralopithecus Wrote:  [Image: dylfi.jpg]

I suppose Joseph Stalin would be considered attractive in his younger days...

But that ain't a reason to kill millions of people xD.

Doesn't mean I wouldn't read his book. That retard Hitler killed a shit load of people and I read his book.

Dreamy isn't always about what's on the outside... Krauss talks about the stars... that's about as dreamy as one can get. Wink

You should write a history book titled "The Retard Hitler Killed a Shit Load of People."

I'd buy that book Tongue.

This thread has changed course remarkably quickly...

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24-04-2013, 11:49 PM
RE: Should I read Lawrence Krauss?
Clearly Lawrence Krauss should kill some people, will help his book sales.
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