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10-02-2013, 07:40 PM
Should only taxpayers be allowed to vote?
Should only taxpayers be allowed to vote?

When Socrates and his friends were talking of voters, they were talking of land owners. In today’s terms, that means, ---- taxpayer. The core of democracy.

There are two types of citizens. The taxpayer and the taxtaker.

Once the taxpayer hands over his wealth, he loses control of where it is spent.

This is counter to the taxpayer’s wishes.

Why do taxpayers allow this situation and defer their right to spend their wealth to others?

If taxtakers had done a good job with that wealth, I do not think any would complain. That is not the case.

Should those who pay the way of our society be the ones who decide where our wealth is spent?

Since the right to do so is tied to our vote, should only taxpayers be allowed to vote on spending issues?

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10-02-2013, 07:48 PM
RE: Should only taxpayers be allowed to vote?
Anyone who spends money is paying taxes.
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10-02-2013, 08:00 PM
RE: Should only taxpayers be allowed to vote?
Under 18's that work pay taxes and yet are unable to vote.

Taxation without repersentation anyone?

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10-02-2013, 08:50 PM (This post was last modified: 10-02-2013 08:54 PM by PoolBoyG.)
RE: Should only taxpayers be allowed to vote?
OP seems to be under the impression that there is only one type of tax. Income? And not property tax, payroll tax, or sales tax..

OP doesn't understand that the middle to poor spend the highest percentage of their income on taxes listed above. Doesn't matter if a population is so impoverished that it's impossible to pay federal tax. They have to buy goods and supplies like anyone else, and they are taxed for it.

OP also seems to be under the impression that you should be able to buy votes. If you have financial power, then only can you have political power. Which only acts to further impoverish and disenfranchise the poor if it's a result of political policy. In OPs example, the tax payers have already profited from the status quo (rich enough to pay "taxes"?), while there are those that haven't (too poor to pay "taxes")
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11-02-2013, 04:36 AM
RE: Should only taxpayers be allowed to vote?
(10-02-2013 07:40 PM)Greatest I am Wrote:  Should only taxpayers be allowed to vote?

When Socrates and his friends were talking of voters, they were talking of land owners. In today’s terms, that means, ---- taxpayer. The core of democracy.

There are two types of citizens. The taxpayer and the taxtaker.

Once the taxpayer hands over his wealth, he loses control of where it is spent.

This is counter to the taxpayer’s wishes.

Why do taxpayers allow this situation and defer their right to spend their wealth to others?

If taxtakers had done a good job with that wealth, I do not think any would complain. That is not the case.

Should those who pay the way of our society be the ones who decide where our wealth is spent?

Since the right to do so is tied to our vote, should only taxpayers be allowed to vote on spending issues?

Regards
DL


huh... I thought people who don't pay tax go to jail, so it wouldn't matter..

... huh...

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11-02-2013, 05:54 AM
RE: Should only taxpayers be allowed to vote?
Prisoners and people with criminal records also work, but are prohibited from voting in certain areas[1]. "According to the Sentencing Project, 5.3 million Americans are denied the right to vote because of a felony conviction"

[1] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Voting_righ...#Prisoners

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11-02-2013, 08:41 AM
RE: Should only taxpayers be allowed to vote?
Well, that makes good capitalist sense. Whoever has been cheated, dispossessed, robbed, stripped of his economic autonomy, should then also be politically disenfranchised, lest he demand back "even the little which he hath" that's been taken away. Disposable workers; disappearing citizens - Yea!

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11-02-2013, 11:03 AM
RE: Should only taxpayers be allowed to vote?
(10-02-2013 07:40 PM)Greatest I am Wrote:  Should only taxpayers be allowed to vote?

When Socrates and his friends were talking of voters, they were talking of land owners. In today’s terms, that means, ---- taxpayer. The core of democracy.

There are two types of citizens. The taxpayer and the taxtaker.

Once the taxpayer hands over his wealth, he loses control of where it is spent.

This is counter to the taxpayer’s wishes.

Why do taxpayers allow this situation and defer their right to spend their wealth to others?

If taxtakers had done a good job with that wealth, I do not think any would complain. That is not the case.

Should those who pay the way of our society be the ones who decide where our wealth is spent?

Since the right to do so is tied to our vote, should only taxpayers be allowed to vote on spending issues?

Regards
DL

If you were to pull something out of your ass-- to decide who gets to vote -- that wouldn't be it. So, no. No

Tax-takers/makers? Those are the same people. Those aren't two distinct, separable groups of people. And they have plenty of say and benefits when they vote, get elected to office, receive monetary benefits allocated from payments of taxes, spend billions on elections, etc.

Also, do we tax wealth, currently, in America? If so, we don't do a very good job at it.

It does seem, as if, we have less people running around, justifying to themselves why they are slaves. I don't know if that's a good thing or a bad thing, but see Leviathan. That would seem to give you an answer as to why Republicans view themselves as superior to anarchists, libertarians and the stereotypical, racist redneck, i.e., the Tea Party, aka, the people the Republican party have been shitting on and using the shit out of to win control since Ronald Reagan, but who have only recently became smart enough not to vote for idiots, fucking poor people over toward their own self-interest, and now vote for people who will fuck the entire country over for their own self-interest.

The "taxtakers" doing a bad job, is the reason why people are complaining? That must be why Republicans are so bad at governance. It's all an anarchist conspiracy.

"Those who pay the way of our society [be] the ones who decide where our wealth is spent"-- That sounds like socialism and democracy. Yeah, that sounds great.

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11-02-2013, 11:19 AM
RE: Should only taxpayers be allowed to vote?
Everyone should have the ability to vote. In fact it should be mandatory to vote (like in Australia for example) with a fine if you do not complete this obligation. Don't whine to me about this going against your rights.



The downside to this line of thinking is uninformed, disinterested bozos would be voting (though I totally see this happening right now, so I guess it would just be in larger numbers)
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11-02-2013, 11:25 AM
RE: Should only taxpayers be allowed to vote?
(10-02-2013 08:00 PM)earmuffs Wrote:  Under 18's that work pay taxes and yet are unable to vote.

Taxation without repersentation anyone?
They are generally speaking represented by their parent (s).


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