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04-06-2013, 10:27 AM
RE: Should soft drinks be banned or heavily taxed?
(04-06-2013 10:25 AM)I and I Wrote:  
(04-06-2013 09:53 AM)Anjele Wrote:  What next, they tell me how much sugar (if any) I can put in the iced tea I make at home?

Typical right wing logic... If the government wants to limit corporations pushing toxic things on us well right after that they are going to be in my kitchen telling me how much sugar I can put in my tea. Sounds like you know alot about tea parties...

Soft drinks are not toxic.

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04-06-2013, 10:34 AM
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(04-06-2013 09:28 AM)Bob Loblaw Wrote:  How come Americans( and I am assuming those who oppose government regulation are mostly American) are so scared of socialist governments. sometimes it works , Look at country's that rate high in quality of life, happiness, low crime and low obesity country's like Sweden .Denmark,Norway and to a lesser extent my country Canada, Just maybe capitalism isn't such a good thing and maybe trusting your government( a little) won't cause the world to crumble, it has been awhile since 1783

Sweden isn't the utopia modern liberals like to think it is. Nor are the other Scandinavian countries, save Switzerland, which is ranked the fifth most free country in the world... with Canada at sixth and the US tenth.

Also, your socialist havens are all in financial woes just like the US and Canada, so even though the proletariat in those countries thinks life is grand, once the states can no longer pay the credit card bills and once they've inflated the currency to a point that a loaf of bread costs 10,000% more than it should, things won't be so grand.

But none of that ultimately matters. Government, by its definition, uses threats of violence, imprisonment and murder against its citizens in efforts to control their activities. Every law enacted by government contains these very real threats of violence against anyone who violates them, even in situations where there is no victim produced and where the "crime" is merely an exchange of goods or services between two or more peaceful, consenting individuals.

I can't speak for others, but that's the reason I oppose government in its entirety.

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04-06-2013, 10:47 AM
RE: Should soft drinks be banned or heavily taxed?
(04-06-2013 10:25 AM)I and I Wrote:  
(04-06-2013 09:53 AM)Anjele Wrote:  What next, they tell me how much sugar (if any) I can put in the iced tea I make at home?

Typical right wing logic... If the government wants to limit corporations pushing toxic things on us well right after that they are going to be in my kitchen telling me how much sugar I can put in my tea. Sounds like you know alot about tea parties...

That is quite a leap. Her question is valid. Where is the line drawn. That question does not equate to right wing logic. Drinking Beverage

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04-06-2013, 10:56 AM
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(04-06-2013 10:34 AM)bbeljefe Wrote:  
(04-06-2013 09:28 AM)Bob Loblaw Wrote:  How come Americans( and I am assuming those who oppose government regulation are mostly American) are so scared of socialist governments. sometimes it works , Look at country's that rate high in quality of life, happiness, low crime and low obesity country's like Sweden .Denmark,Norway and to a lesser extent my country Canada, Just maybe capitalism isn't such a good thing and maybe trusting your government( a little) won't cause the world to crumble, it has been awhile since 1783

Sweden isn't the utopia modern liberals like to think it is. Nor are the other Scandinavian countries, save Switzerland, which is ranked the fifth most free country in the world... with Canada at sixth and the US tenth.

Also, your socialist havens are all in financial woes just like the US and Canada, so even though the proletariat in those countries thinks life is grand, once the states can no longer pay the credit card bills and once they've inflated the currency to a point that a loaf of bread costs 10,000% more than it should, things won't be so grand.

But none of that ultimately matters. Government, by its definition, uses threats of violence, imprisonment and murder against its citizens in efforts to control their activities. Every law enacted by government contains these very real threats of violence against anyone who violates them, even in situations where there is no victim produced and where the "crime" is merely an exchange of goods or services between two or more peaceful, consenting individuals.

I can't speak for others, but that's the reason I oppose government in its entirety.
The worlds in financial chaos because capitalism and the American dream.With the collapse I would rather be in a country that has strong social programs. Your paranoia about governments trying to control you by all means possible is just that paranoid and it shows in your decaying society or do you just need more guns and more religion.....and sorry for getting of topic, forgive me I am new to this

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04-06-2013, 11:18 AM
RE: Should soft drinks be banned or heavily taxed?
(04-06-2013 10:56 AM)Bob Loblaw Wrote:  The worlds in financial chaos because capitalism and the American dream.With the collapse I would rather be in a country that has strong social programs. Your paranoia about governments trying to control you by all means possible is just that paranoid and it shows in your decaying society or do you just need more guns and more religion.....and sorry for getting of topic, forgive me I am new to this

What capitalism? Capitalism is voluntary exchange. When you attach government regulation to capitalistic endeavors, the result is mercantilism, fascism, corporatocracy, et al.

There isn't a country on the planet who's government doesn't manipulate currency values in one way or another. When that happens, it causes malinvestment of capital, artificial boom and bust cycles and a widening of the gap between rich and poor... which are all very well evidenced in any country you care to examine.

It's a popular myth among those who don't understand economics and human action to accuse capitalism of causing the worlds problems but saying it over and over again doesn't make a lie true. In the end, nation states have been heavily controlling most industries and all currencies for the past hundred years or so in just about every country on Earth.

What you see today... high unemployment, monetary inflation, increasing poverty, corruption in the financial industry, can all be laid squarely at the feet of nation states.

That's painfully easy to see if one does some due diligence and looks at world economies over a period of two hundred years. In the nineteenth century and the early twentieth century, governments did little to no regulating in industry and that period of economic growth is known as the industrial revolution. Most of the products we use today and the quality of life we enjoy were facilitated by the massive amounts of innovation and invention that took place in that time period.

Nation states saw that explosion of wealth across all classes and took the opportunity to tax it. And they used their ill gotten booty to finance the modern welfare, warfare and police states we suffer today.

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04-06-2013, 11:57 AM
RE: Should soft drinks be banned or heavily taxed?
(04-06-2013 11:18 AM)bbeljefe Wrote:  
(04-06-2013 10:56 AM)Bob Loblaw Wrote:  The worlds in financial chaos because capitalism and the American dream.With the collapse I would rather be in a country that has strong social programs. Your paranoia about governments trying to control you by all means possible is just that paranoid and it shows in your decaying society or do you just need more guns and more religion.....and sorry for getting of topic, forgive me I am new to this

What capitalism? Capitalism is voluntary exchange. When you attach government regulation to capitalistic endeavors, the result is mercantilism, fascism, corporatocracy, et al.

There isn't a country on the planet who's government doesn't manipulate currency values in one way or another. When that happens, it causes malinvestment of capital, artificial boom and bust cycles and a widening of the gap between rich and poor... which are all very well evidenced in any country you care to examine.

It's a popular myth among those who don't understand economics and human action to accuse capitalism of causing the worlds problems but saying it over and over again doesn't make a lie true. In the end, nation states have been heavily controlling most industries and all currencies for the past hundred years or so in just about every country on Earth.

What you see today... high unemployment, monetary inflation, increasing poverty, corruption in the financial industry, can all be laid squarely at the feet of nation states.

That's painfully easy to see if one does some due diligence and looks at world economies over a period of two hundred years. In the nineteenth century and the early twentieth century, governments did little to no regulating in industry and that period of economic growth is known as the industrial revolution. Most of the products we use today and the quality of life we enjoy were facilitated by the massive amounts of innovation and invention that took place in that time period.

Nation states saw that explosion of wealth across all classes and took the opportunity to tax it. And they used their ill gotten booty to finance the modern welfare, warfare and police states we suffer today.
OK capitalism isn't the problem maybe its just greed, corruption and misuse of taxes or maybe it is the mindset Americans have, that if they work hard that they can be president or the next Bill Gates.
Whatever the problem is it starts on your doorstep your the leaders of the free world you dictate the economics of the world and your free society is failing. You consume consume consume, does not matter what, resources, food, you just want want want and think less government is better, yet you have less government control than country's I have listed, yet we seem to be happier even in the face of having to deal with the problems we inherit from you.
I may be way off here but country's that are healthy and happy and people love to live their are the ones that have more government control not less. We see from you the most free country in the world what less government control can lead too

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04-06-2013, 12:28 PM
RE: Should soft drinks be banned or heavily taxed?
(04-06-2013 11:57 AM)Bob Loblaw Wrote:  OK capitalism isn't the problem maybe its just greed, corruption and misuse of taxes or maybe it is the mindset Americans have, that if they work hard that they can be president or the next Bill Gates.
Whatever the problem is it starts on your doorstep your the leaders of the free world you dictate the economics of the world and your free society is failing. You consume consume consume, does not matter what, resources, food, you just want want want and think less government is better, yet you have less government control than country's I have listed, yet we seem to be happier even in the face of having to deal with the problems we inherit from you.
I may be way off here but country's that are healthy and happy and people love to live their are the ones that have more government control not less. We see from you the most free country in the world what less government control can lead too

I'm not the leader of anything other than my life. I don't participate in the affairs of government and I don't condone them. Please don't lump me in with the violent, tyrannical sociopaths who call themselves the US government.

As for the most free countries, I've already stated the US is tenth among those listed as "free" by a variety of factors... including economic freedoms and government restriction of individual liberty. You can read the 2013 list here.

There are also other factors to consider when assessing the general happiness of a society. The US government imprisons more of its citizens than any other country in the world. And what's worse, it imprisons more of its children than any country in the world. Another point to consider is the correlation between overall happiness and corporal punishment. Aside from Canada, all of the countries you've mentioned have long since outlawed corporal punishment... which is a euphemism for assaulting children.

Given what we know about psychology and the negative affects violence has on children, wouldn't it make sense to you that not hitting and incarcerating children would lend itself to a happier adult population?

In the end, there is a lot more to human happiness than economic policy. In fact, economic policy is a by product of child rearing. Ergo, children who are brutalized will become adults who favor strong government controls.

Excerpted from the last article I linked to as spoken by a 14 year old girl who is in juvenile detention in El Paso, TX:

"One day I might want to work as a Corrections Officer in a prison."

Of course... she was taught the language of violence and control, so that's what she speaks.

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04-06-2013, 12:51 PM
RE: Should soft drinks be banned or heavily taxed?
(04-06-2013 12:28 PM)bbeljefe Wrote:  
(04-06-2013 11:57 AM)Bob Loblaw Wrote:  OK capitalism isn't the problem maybe its just greed, corruption and misuse of taxes or maybe it is the mindset Americans have, that if they work hard that they can be president or the next Bill Gates.
Whatever the problem is it starts on your doorstep your the leaders of the free world you dictate the economics of the world and your free society is failing. You consume consume consume, does not matter what, resources, food, you just want want want and think less government is better, yet you have less government control than country's I have listed, yet we seem to be happier even in the face of having to deal with the problems we inherit from you.
I may be way off here but country's that are healthy and happy and people love to live their are the ones that have more government control not less. We see from you the most free country in the world what less government control can lead too

I'm not the leader of anything other than my life. I don't participate in the affairs of government and I don't condone them. Please don't lump me in with the violent, tyrannical sociopaths who call themselves the US government.

As for the most free countries, I've already stated the US is tenth among those listed as "free" by a variety of factors... including economic freedoms and government restriction of individual liberty. You can read the 2013 list here.

There are also other factors to consider when assessing the general happiness of a society. The US government imprisons more of its citizens than any other country in the world. And what's worse, it imprisons more of its children than any country in the world. Another point to consider is the correlation between overall happiness and corporal punishment. Aside from Canada, all of the countries you've mentioned have long since outlawed corporal punishment... which is a euphemism for assaulting children.

Given what we know about psychology and the negative affects violence has on children, wouldn't it make sense to you that not hitting and incarcerating children would lend itself to a happier adult population?

In the end, there is a lot more to human happiness than economic policy. In fact, economic policy is a by product of child rearing. Ergo, children who are brutalized will become adults who favor strong government controls.

Excerpted from the last article I linked to as spoken by a 14 year old girl who is in juvenile detention in El Paso, TX:

"One day I might want to work as a Corrections Officer in a prison."

Of course... she was taught the language of violence and control, so that's what she speaks.
You seem very anti-government and with your government I can understand why but good governments with a lot of control can and are running their country's very well , not saying socialism has not went bad it has but we are way off subject and I am sure there are other related threads.
I would think that your youths easy access and affordable access to pop and other sodium and sugar foods cause has much harm as any other threat out there. You want to make an impact on the health of your youth, do what this thread suggest

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04-06-2013, 02:39 PM
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(04-06-2013 12:28 PM)bbeljefe Wrote:  In fact, economic policy is a by product of child rearing. Ergo, children who are brutalized will become adults who favor strong government controls.

Congratulations. That's the wildest leap of logic I've ever seen.
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04-06-2013, 03:02 PM
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(04-06-2013 02:39 PM)cjlr Wrote:  
(04-06-2013 12:28 PM)bbeljefe Wrote:  In fact, economic policy is a by product of child rearing. Ergo, children who are brutalized will become adults who favor strong government controls.

Congratulations. That's the wildest leap of logic I've ever seen.

Nice generality there...are you high? Do you really believe what you wrote?

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