Should the muslim population of Europe be reduced?
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09-01-2015, 11:31 AM
RE: Should the muslim population of Europe be reduced?
As usual, we are enthralled by spectacle, not by context, and the OP's depiction of a "muslim problem" is, well, to put it kindly, inaccurate
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09-01-2015, 11:39 AM
RE: Should the muslim population of Europe be reduced?
(09-01-2015 11:31 AM)Airportkid Wrote:  As usual, we are enthralled by spectacle, not by context, and the OP's depiction of a "muslim problem" is, well, to put it kindly, inaccurate

What's their criteria for classifying something as a "terrorist" attack? I can guarantee it's not the definition the majority of Americans use.

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09-01-2015, 12:12 PM
RE: Should the muslim population of Europe be reduced?
This is an interesting discussion but there are no easy answers. The reality is that there is a subset of people here who not only believe in some crazy things, but are willing to kill and die to make their point. They don't recognize the laws of the countries they live in because they only submit to what they think it's their god's law. They are unlikely to be taken alive and think they go to paradise if they die doing these crazy things. There is no reasoning with them and it's not just an issue of poverty and education. Some of them have money and many are educated. And, they live in western democracies that afford them the right to spew their crazy shit and recruit people. There is no denying it is a serious problem.

And, there is no simple answer. I think it comes down to what type of society you want to live in. Do you want to live in a society where people have the right to speak, to assemble, to believe crazy things and where people are, presumably, all equal under the law? If so, then you need to accept that sometimes crazy people are going to do crazy things and there will be some death and mayhem. The other option is a society where we proactively go after people we perceive to be a threat, we listen in on phone calls and read emails and have different rules for different people. We are slowly drifting in that directing, and people should be concerned. Once a society accepts its ok to strip the rights away of a given group, they have accepted it for all future perceived threats and undesirable people.

Given the choice, I will play my odds with the crazies. And, that is not an idle comment as I live and work in an area the crazies seem to target. But, the alternative, in my opinion, is far more frightening.

9/11 was the best the crazies could do. It was horrible but, in the scheme of things, it wasn't. And, that is a one off. They have never gotten close to something like that again. So, I will take my chances and prefer to live in a free and open society. But, those are your choices and we all have to collectively decide what we want.

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09-01-2015, 12:16 PM
RE: Should the muslim population of Europe be reduced?
(09-01-2015 11:31 AM)Airportkid Wrote:  As usual, we are enthralled by spectacle, not by context, and the OP's depiction of a "muslim problem" is, well, to put it kindly, inaccurate

I don't know how accurate their article is, or how they arrived at those numbers. Regardless, the problem still exists. Even if it IS a small part of all terrorist acts in EU, it remains unnecessary, unjustifiable, and purely a product of Islam itself.

The main difference is in what's being attacked. In these cases, it isnt about a peoples geological borders; it is a global attack on thought and freedom of speech.
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09-01-2015, 01:37 PM
RE: Should the muslim population of Europe be reduced?
Funny thing is... Al Qaeda wants you to think this. They want you to attack muslims, so that muslims will attack you.

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09-01-2015, 02:39 PM
RE: Should the muslim population of Europe be reduced?
The estimate of those with radical beliefs are around 25%, which is in the hundreds of millions. The OP is right, that IS a problem.

2% of terrorist acts in Europe are religiously motivated is such bullshit. Especially in the past 10 years. The problem is, every time there is a terrorist action the politicians are quick to say, "this has nothing to do with Islam" = not religiously motivated in the charts. Francois Hollande has just done this. The cheek of him. Also, the reason the percentage is so low is because the terrorist factions have named like "Lebanon's free peoples army" etc so that they are designated as politically and therefore not religiously motivated. Absolute nonsense. Impartiality by the people who run these surveys is a major problem.

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09-01-2015, 05:10 PM
RE: Should the muslim population of Europe be reduced?
(09-01-2015 02:39 PM)SunnyD1 Wrote:  The estimate of those with radical beliefs are around 25%, which is in the hundreds of millions. The OP is right, that IS a problem.

You need to provide citations for claims like that so we can analyze them for ourselves.

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09-01-2015, 05:20 PM
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(09-01-2015 05:10 PM)GirlyMan Wrote:  
(09-01-2015 02:39 PM)SunnyD1 Wrote:  The estimate of those with radical beliefs are around 25%, which is in the hundreds of millions. The OP is right, that IS a problem.

You need to provide citations for claims like that so we can analyze them for ourselves.

He also needs to precisely define "radical beliefs" (because you can't say who has them unless you can say what they are). Good luck with that.
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10-01-2015, 03:19 PM
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(09-01-2015 05:20 PM)Grasshopper Wrote:  
(09-01-2015 05:10 PM)GirlyMan Wrote:  You need to provide citations for claims like that so we can analyze them for ourselves.

He also needs to precisely define "radical beliefs" (because you can't say who has them unless you can say what they are). Good luck with that.

Sorry, here: http://www.pewforum.org/files/2013/04/wo...report.pdf

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10-01-2015, 03:21 PM
RE: Should the muslim population of Europe be reduced?
Yay thought crime
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