Since when has "Alt-Right" been synonymous with white nationalism?
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23-11-2016, 03:12 PM (This post was last modified: 23-11-2016 03:18 PM by cactus.)
Since when has "Alt-Right" been synonymous with white nationalism?
because I thought it was mainly just people who like to rant about the so-called "regressive" tactics of third wave feminists, language policing, safe spaces, non-traditional gender terminology, and the "Oppression Olympics" that's allegedly inherent in any discussion about privilege.

I wasn't aware that some people are now using the term to exclusively refer to Neo-Nazis. That seems to be a new development in this lexical tug of war. or have I just not been paying attention? Huh

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23-11-2016, 03:40 PM
RE: Since when has "Alt-Right" been synonymous with white nationalism?
(23-11-2016 03:12 PM)cactus Wrote:  because I thought it was mainly just people who like to rant about the so-called "regressive" tactics of third wave feminists, language policing, safe spaces, non-traditional gender terminology, and the "Oppression Olympics" that's allegedly inherent in any discussion about privilege.

I wasn't aware that some people are now using the term to exclusively refer to Neo-Nazis. That seems to be a new development in this lexical tug of war. or have I just not been paying attention? Huh

Since when neo-nazi, white nationalist and their ilk can't hide their prejudice behind a thin sheet of liberalism all the while remaining neo-nazi and white nationalist? They can also make an intelligent critique on those subjects (very rarely in my experience, but it does happen), but that doesn't make their beliefs any better. Most people know the Alt-Right through what they don't like, not what they actualy believe in. Its the strength of this movement which relies on a simplistic message and online activism to gain support.

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23-11-2016, 04:12 PM
RE: Since when has "Alt-Right" been synonymous with white nationalism?
When they pissed off everyone with memes.

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23-11-2016, 04:18 PM
RE: Since when has "Alt-Right" been synonymous with white nationalism?
It's like when George Zimmerman shot Trayvon Martin. It was all over the news that an armed white guy shot an unarmed black guy.

Then they found out George Zimmerman was mexican.

So they started calling him a "white hispanic" to fit an agenda.

Now alt-right has been adopted to mean racist to fit an agenda.

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23-11-2016, 04:24 PM
RE: Since when has "Alt-Right" been synonymous with white nationalism?
I don't really know much about the "Alt-Right", but the general approach to any political division these days seems to be: why actually discuss issues when you can just slap a label on your opponent(s) and demonize him/them?
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23-11-2016, 04:29 PM
RE: Since when has "Alt-Right" been synonymous with white nationalism?
(23-11-2016 04:24 PM)Grasshopper Wrote:  I don't really know much about the "Alt-Right", but the general approach to any political division these days seems to be: why actually discuss issues when you can just slap a label on your opponent(s) and demonize him/them?

Richard Spencer, the man who coined the term, is a self proclaimed white supremacist.

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23-11-2016, 04:34 PM
RE: Since when has "Alt-Right" been synonymous with white nationalism?
(23-11-2016 04:29 PM)epronovost Wrote:  
(23-11-2016 04:24 PM)Grasshopper Wrote:  I don't really know much about the "Alt-Right", but the general approach to any political division these days seems to be: why actually discuss issues when you can just slap a label on your opponent(s) and demonize him/them?

Richard Spencer, the man who coined the term, is a self proclaimed white supremacist.

OK, but I'll bet there are many who would accept the label who are not White supremacists. It's like saying all Republicans are theocrats, or all Democrats are socialists.
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23-11-2016, 04:46 PM
RE: Since when has "Alt-Right" been synonymous with white nationalism?
I thought it was some sorta keyboard shortcut but was too embarrassed to say anything.

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23-11-2016, 04:53 PM
RE: Since when has "Alt-Right" been synonymous with white nationalism?
(23-11-2016 04:34 PM)Grasshopper Wrote:  
(23-11-2016 04:29 PM)epronovost Wrote:  Richard Spencer, the man who coined the term, is a self proclaimed white supremacist.

OK, but I'll bet there are many who would accept the label who are not White supremacists. It's like saying all Republicans are theocrats, or all Democrats are socialists.

Correct, but its one of the foundation of the group in question and a large part of their most visible advocate and leader are espousing it. They don't have any fixed ideological beliefs, but can be described as an aggregate of pretty much every single reactionnary cause you can think of (with perhapse the exclusion of dominionism) all wraped in a "trollish" and slightly "juvenile" message.

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23-11-2016, 06:17 PM
RE: Since when has "Alt-Right" been synonymous with white nationalism?
I first heard the term when researching holocaust deniers, and tumbled into stormfront's forum...

That was a few years ago at least now.

Also several organizations denounced alt-right (I believe one was right wing watch). One person said they were active in breitbart, but left because it wasn't what they thought it was about.

Kinda like Archie Bunker walking into a klan meeting on All in the Family.


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