Slavery Is An Economic Category Of Capitalism
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22-03-2017, 03:17 AM
RE: Slavery Is An Economic Category Of Capitalism
(21-03-2017 09:36 PM)Bucky Ball Wrote:  
(21-03-2017 09:32 PM)Fred Hampton Wrote:  Commies decide by consensus, a knowledgeable mod would know that.

Oh really ?
Care to provide 5 examples where Communist leaders used "consensus" input, over the long-term of their regimes, to make decisions.

Does Stalin asking his Politburo comrades to sign of shooting someone counts as consensus? I'm pretty sure he asked more than 5 times and death is pretty long term thing.


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22-03-2017, 04:19 AM (This post was last modified: 22-03-2017 04:44 AM by Fred Hampton.)
RE: Slavery Is An Economic Category Of Capitalism
I don't speak Polish.

I'll prolly have to offer a ca$h prize to get any of the smarty pantsers to watch the vid. Capitalists will do anything for $: ANYTHING! Wink
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22-03-2017, 04:22 AM
RE: Slavery Is An Economic Category Of Capitalism
(22-03-2017 04:19 AM)Fred Hampton Wrote:  I don't speak Polish.

Nothing surprising. Why you need to point this?

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22-03-2017, 04:28 AM
RE: Slavery Is An Economic Category Of Capitalism
(22-03-2017 04:19 AM)Fred Hampton Wrote:  I don't speak Polish.

I'll prolly have to offer a ca$h prize to get any of the smarty pantsers to watch the vid. Capitalists will do anything for $: ANYTHING! Wink

Oooo, making the same post in two separate threads. That could be considered spamming which is frowned upon here. Be careful.

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22-03-2017, 04:41 AM
RE: Slavery Is An Economic Category Of Capitalism
(22-03-2017 04:19 AM)Fred Hampton Wrote:  I'll prolly have to offer a ca$h prize to get any of the smarty pantsers to watch the vid. Capitalists will do anything for $: ANYTHING! Wink

I'd watch the vid but I'm a pseudo-intellectual.

(22-03-2017 04:28 AM)JDog554 Wrote:  Oooo, making the same post in two separate threads. That could be considered spamming which is frowned upon here. Be careful.

Like that cantor cat and his damn Gwynnies? Gasp

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22-03-2017, 08:02 AM
RE: Slavery Is An Economic Category Of Capitalism
At work.

So, Joseph Waller was an individual who experienced cultural repression in the 50's.

And? I personally know individuals in my society who are still experiancing such cultural inequality in the present day.

How is actually changing or even dismantling the economic and political sytems in any way going to ensure parity for such individuals?

On top of that, how is the system you wish to put in its place going to be 'Fair'?

Does your replacement system seek broad cultural equality?

How might it do this? By, perchance, simply abolishing/removing any and all cultural referances scross the board? 'Level the playing field' as it were?

Consider

Actually, did we not see exactly such individuals in the English Civil war?
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22-03-2017, 08:22 AM
RE: Slavery Is An Economic Category Of Capitalism
(22-03-2017 08:02 AM)Peebothuhul Wrote:  How is actually changing or even dismantling the economic and political sytems in any way going to ensure parity for such individuals?

The system, both political as well as economical is in dire need of change. Just not in the way, Fred imagines. For starters, represetatives representing the people and not the money men would go a long way towards creating a more just environment. In short democracy and not bribocracy.
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22-03-2017, 08:25 AM
RE: Slavery Is An Economic Category Of Capitalism
(21-03-2017 09:51 PM)Momsurroundedbyboys Wrote:  
(21-03-2017 09:47 PM)Fred Hampton Wrote:  Oh, b4 I go, cronyism, it's usually a bad thing. Good example: I used to play in this guy's band and his wife was the lead singer. Why? Because she was his wife and WANTED to sing. She was completely tone deaf, yet remained the lead singer. Why? Because she was his wife.

Funny enough that's not really an example of cronyism.

Because it was his wife.

I'm getting a strong vibe that words don't matter much to you.

It makes me wonder if you've romantized the word communism -- so it no longer means to you what it actually means most everyone else.

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22-03-2017, 08:31 AM
RE: Slavery Is An Economic Category Of Capitalism
(21-03-2017 06:26 PM)Fred Hampton Wrote:  
(21-03-2017 08:33 AM)tomilay Wrote:  That would be exactly like Julius Nyerere's Tanzania under ujamaa. Ask the Tanzanians how that worked out for them?

Don't get me wrong, disastrous economic policies aside, Nyerere's legacy was actually one of the better ones for post-independence African leaders. Even though he was initially authoritarian, he was neither corrupt nor wantonly brutal. He kicked Idi Amin out of Uganda. Helped kick Ian Smith out of power in Rhodesia.

But his country was an economic shambles. To his credit he acknowledged the mistakes, peacefully handed over power and retired without robbing the country blind.
I am not at all familiar with Nyerere. Was he a Marxist soc-comm, supposedly, or capitalist?

Communist, marxist or African socialist. Ran a resource rich peaceful country overflowing with African heritage.

A favorable description of the man that glosses over his failures can be found here https://www.marxists.org/subject/africa/...graphy.htm

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22-03-2017, 08:37 AM
RE: Slavery Is An Economic Category Of Capitalism
(22-03-2017 08:02 AM)Peebothuhul Wrote:  At work.

So, Joseph Waller was an individual who experienced cultural repression in the 50's.

And? I personally know individuals in my society who are still experiancing such cultural inequality in the present day.

How is actually changing or even dismantling the economic and political sytems in any way going to ensure parity for such individuals?

On top of that, how is the system you wish to put in its place going to be 'Fair'?

Does your replacement system seek broad cultural equality?

How might it do this? By, perchance, simply abolishing/removing any and all cultural referances scross the board? 'Level the playing field' as it were?

Consider

Actually, did we not see exactly such individuals in the English Civil war?
Ok, this is not cultural thing, or a racial thing--people can practice whatever culture they want and hang out with whatever "race" they want--freedom of association applies. Soc-Comm does does compel anyone to do anything in those regards.

This is Marxism, ergo we're talking about material human relationships in the material world. The theme of this thread, as stated clearly in the video by Omali Yeshitela, is from quotations from Marx's work, "The Poverty of Philosophy", and to some extent, "Das Kapital" that slavery is an essential economic category of functional capitalism. Capitalistic economics requires a slave class to generate "primitive accumulation" of raw materials that are then used in the upward fabrication of material goods that are then used as a the main source for profit among the capitalist class. Material relationships between humans are the prime motive force that drives human activity, hence history, hence 'historical materialism'.

People of African heritage in the US have been a materially, internally colonized group within the US from slavery to this day. The White capitalist owns about everything, writes the laws to his favor in that regard, and the Blacks have systematically, often legislatively(e.g.,Jim Crow, or, "Red Lining") been denied access to resource and opportunity withing the White Man's system. The White man has the economic and institutional POWER and that is the fundamental root of "racism": one racial group having power over another.

The replacement system, that I prefer, is based on Marxism and, particularly Maoism, as, IMO and others' opinion, the Maoists took, in practice, soc-comm the furthest to date. The USSR did amazing things as well, under Lenin and also Stalin, but Stalin kind of became more a "democratic socialist" and then, over time, the Red Mafia and bourgeois class became rather corrupt, etc etc.

If you haven't watched the vid, watch it, it's crystal clear re the necessity of slavery in capitalism.
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