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10-12-2015, 10:25 PM
Snopes: CLAIM: Atheists are trying to ban Bibles from all hotel rooms
Oh look, atheists are being reviled by assholes for wanting to be free of moronic texts. Dodgy This is a war on Christianity I tell you!

http://www.snopes.com/angry-atheists-ban-bible/

CLAIM: Atheists are trying to ban Bibles from all hotel rooms.

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WHAT'S TRUE: The Freedom from Religion Foundation (FFRF) requested Bibles be removed from public university hotel rooms and further lobbied the hospitality industry to offer "Bible-free" rooms in hotels.

WHAT'S FALSE: The FFRF demanded that all Bibles be removed from all hotel rooms.

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EXAMPLE: [Collected via Twitter and e-mail, December 2015]

This was posted on Facebook by the American Center for Law & Justice.

ORIGIN:On 4 December 2015 the Facebook page "American Center for Law and Justice" (ACLJ), a Christian advocacy group founded by Pat Robertson, published the above-reproduced image along with the following text:

A radical group of atheists is demanding all hotels remove Bibles from their rooms, claiming the Bible "may endanger your health and life."

This is not only absurd, it's unconstitutional. Help us fight back: http://bit.ly/1N8YmlN

The status update claimed a "radical group of atheists" had demanded "all hotels remove Bibles" from their rooms, and references to it in social media asserted that the Bible banners sought to "ban the Bible in ALL hotel rooms." The link appended to the update pointed to an ACLJ petition titled "Don't Ban the Bible. Defend It," which read (in part):

Banning the Bible ... That's what one angry atheist group is trying to do in hotels at public universities.

The anti-Christian Freedom from Religion Foundation (FFRF) is demanding that the Bible — placed by a Christian group — be banned from university hotel rooms.

It's already had them banned from universities in Illinois, Wisconsin, and Iowa.

FFRF extremists call the Bible "obnoxious" and insultingly claim that the "[B]ible calls for killing nonbelievers." It even absurdly claims that it is "unconstitutional to have them" — Bibles — in university hotel rooms.

FFRF is legally and constitutionally wrong. It's time to set the record straight.

We've been defending constitutionally protected religious speech at the Supreme Court for decades. Now, we're sending these universities a critical legal letter to protect the Bible. Add your name today:

The image asserted simply that "angry atheists [were] trying to ban the Bible," while the status update maintained a "radical group of atheists is demanding all hotels remove Bibles from their rooms," and the linked petition claimed "[the] Freedom from Religion Foundation (a non-profit non-theist advocacy group) is demanding that the Bible ... be banned from university hotel rooms."

The petition published on Facebook by the ACLJ specifically referenced "university hotel rooms," which in turn suggested that the conflict in question pertained to religious materials and public institutions. On 30 October 2015, the FFRF had published a press release on the matter which stated that:

Northern Illinois University quickly removed all bibles from the Holmes Student Center Hotel after receiving a letter from the Freedom from Religion Foundation stating that it was unconstitutional to have them there.

FFRF Legal Fellow Ryan D. Jayne sent the letter on Oct. 20 to Norm Jenkins, director of the Holmes Student Center, stating, in part: "Providing bibles to Holmes Student Center Hotel guests sends the message that NIU endorses the religious texts. Including bibles sends the message to non-Christian and non-religious guests that they should read the bible, and specifically the version of the bible provided: the Gideon Bible. Certainly, if guests want to read this religious text during their stay, they can bring their own copy or access any of the numerous churches or libraries near the university."

The next day, Oct. 21, Gregory A. Brady, deputy general counsel for Governance and Administration at NIU, responded to FFRF by stating that the university "will be removing any such bibles from their hotel guest rooms."

As such, the 4 December 2015 ACLJ image meme was misleading at the time it was issued. The so-called "Bible ban" involved public universities and the issue of government endorsement of religious texts, not a call to remove all Bibles from all hotel rooms.

On 2 December 2015, the ACLJ published an article titled "Angry Atheists Demand Hotels Ban the Bible Comparing Scripture to Danger of Smoking" which held that:

The radical anti-Christian Freedom from Religion Foundation (FFRF) has launched a crusade to ban the Bible in hotel rooms. Now FFRF is moving beyond public university hotel rooms and demanding that all hotels remove the Bible from bedside tables.

Again, removing the Bible from his room is not good enough. This anti-Christian organization will not be satisfied until every Bible is banned from every hotel in America — and even then I'm sure they'll find a new place to hate.

That article referenced a 12 October 2015 article about the issue of hotel rooms and Bibles published on the blog Patheos:

FFRF has long complained about the Gideon Bibles. In the late 1980s we launched a national "Bible Free Room" campaign, with limited success. Although this is not a state-church issue (unless the hotel is owned by the state or the military), we consider it an important consumer complaint, much like asking for smoke-free rooms.

The Gideon Bibles are not owned by the hotel. Many establishments are dunned into contributing to the Gideons International for the "donation," which means that we guests are paying for them. The Gideons say that readers are welcome to take the book ... Why should we be posting complaints on their book? Can you imagine what would happen if the hospitality industry were placing The God Delusion in every room?

To be clear, the 2 December 2015 ACLJ article referenced a think-piece suggesting (not demanding) that hotels offer Bible-free rooms for guests. However, on 7 December 2015 the FFRF issued a press release titled "FFRF Requests 'Bible-Free' Hotel Rooms," which read in part:

The Freedom from Religion Foundation ... is making a major consumer request to the hospitality industry, asking it to be more hospitable to non-Christian and nonreligious clientele by offering "bible-free" rooms.

In early December, FFRF sent a letter to a number of companies, including Wyndham Worldwide, Intercontinental Hotel Groups (Holiday Inn), Choice Hotels International (Quality Inn), Hilton Worldwide, G6 Hospitality (Motel 6), Marriott International, Best Western, Carlson Rezidor Hotel Group (Radisson, Carlson, Country Inn) and Starwood Hotels and Resorts (Sheraton).

FFRF does ask the hotel industry to follow the lead of Gansevoort Hotel Groups, which, to provide a friendlier environment, removed religious materials from guest rooms but provides such materials upon request. Many boutique hotels have likewise stopped serving as a conduit for Protestant missionaries. Travelodge (UK) removed bibles from more than 500 hotels last August "in order not to discriminate against any religion."

Whether the chain of press releases from ACLJ and FFRF regarding Bibles in hotel rooms (both public university lodging and otherwise) were part of a direct rhetorical escalation or simply coincidental was unclear. Further obfuscating the chain of debate were assertions that the FFRF sought to ban "all Bibles" from "all hotel rooms" at any point during the controversy.

According to releases from both the FFRF and the ACLJ, the FFRF requested that Bibles be removed from hotel rooms at public universities in or around October 2015, and that request (framed as more broad that it actually was at the time by the ACLJ) was granted. Concurrently, the FFRF asked that commercial hospitality properties consider offering "Bible-free hotel rooms" to non-theists or non-Christian guests. Whether that request involved removal of Bibles from all rooms (with the books remaining available to guests who asked for them) was unclear, but the specific use of the term "Bible-free rooms" and the comparison to smoke-free hotel rooms suggested that the request extended to some (but not all) rooms.

LAST UPDATED: 10 December 2015

ORIGINALLY PUBLISHED: 10 December 2015

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10-12-2015, 10:29 PM
RE: Snopes: CLAIM: Atheists are trying to ban Bibles from all hotel rooms
And another shit stirring comment from the religious.

Quoting the Bible will not soon become illegal in Cincinnati.

http://www.snopes.com/will-quoting-the-b...e-illegal/

The religious just love to play the martyrs and the underdogs, too bad it isn’t true.

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10-12-2015, 10:30 PM
RE: Snopes: CLAIM: Atheists are trying to ban Bibles from all hotel rooms
They should leave them. Actually reading the Bible must be one of the leading causes for atheism and people saying "WTF, I never knew all this shit was in here".

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11-12-2015, 03:17 AM
RE: Snopes: CLAIM: Atheists are trying to ban Bibles from all hotel rooms
That is nonsense, but I do know there are some atheists/any random people who like to play the game, Hide the Hotel Bible.

Jeff Dee of the Non Prophets Podcast & sometimes atheist experience talks about the joke of playing that game for the interest of it. Taking the bible and placing it somewhere still in the room that it is unlikely to be even discovered or replaced by a maid so it just remains hidden.

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11-12-2015, 03:26 AM
RE: Snopes: CLAIM: Atheists are trying to ban Bibles from all hotel rooms
(10-12-2015 10:29 PM)Full Circle Wrote:  And another shit stirring comment from the religious.

Quoting the Bible will not soon become illegal in Cincinnati.

http://www.snopes.com/will-quoting-the-b...e-illegal/

The religious just love to play the martyrs and the underdogs, too bad it isn’t true.

Forget the bible, it should be illegal to quote the word 'Cincinnati'.

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11-12-2015, 03:27 AM
RE: Snopes: CLAIM: Atheists are trying to ban Bibles from all hotel rooms
Just write "fiction" on the inner cover.

(11-12-2015 03:26 AM)Free Thought Wrote:  
(10-12-2015 10:29 PM)Full Circle Wrote:  And another shit stirring comment from the religious.

Quoting the Bible will not soon become illegal in Cincinnati.

http://www.snopes.com/will-quoting-the-b...e-illegal/

The religious just love to play the martyrs and the underdogs, too bad it isn’t true.

Forget the bible, it should be illegal to quote the word 'Cincinnati'.


You may be too young to have watched WKRP in Cincinnati. Great show.

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11-12-2015, 05:14 AM
RE: Snopes: CLAIM: Atheists are trying to ban Bibles from all hotel rooms
(11-12-2015 03:27 AM)Banjo Wrote:  Just write "fiction" on the inner cover.

(11-12-2015 03:26 AM)Free Thought Wrote:  Forget the bible, it should be illegal to quote the word 'Cincinnati'.


You may be too young to have watched WKRP in Cincinnati. Great show.

There were only two great parts. Loni Anderson's cleavage - and the one line --
"As God is my witness, I thought turkeys could fly"........

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11-12-2015, 07:16 AM
RE: Snopes: CLAIM: Atheists are trying to ban Bibles from all hotel rooms
(11-12-2015 03:27 AM)Banjo Wrote:  Just write "fiction" on the inner cover.

(11-12-2015 03:26 AM)Free Thought Wrote:  Forget the bible, it should be illegal to quote the word 'Cincinnati'.


You may be too young to have watched WKRP in Cincinnati. Great show.

Not too young Weeping

Years later I would call Cincinnati home. I lived there through four miserable winters.

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11-12-2015, 08:51 AM
RE: Snopes: CLAIM: Atheists are trying to ban Bibles from all hotel rooms
There are those who see lying for Jesus as a laudable thing.
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11-12-2015, 09:07 AM
RE: Snopes: CLAIM: Atheists are trying to ban Bibles from all hotel rooms
I don't really understand why people freak out about the Bible being in hotel rooms. It's there if you want some light bedtime reading about rape and genocide. It's woo can't "get" you if you don't pick it up and read it. Just like the pay-per-view porn on the TV, nobody's forcing you to use it. I don't think we should be fighting to get the Bibles out of hotel rooms, instead we should start an organization, like the Gideons, whose purpose is to put copies of the Origin of Species or maybe The God Delusion in hotel rooms alongside the Bible.
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