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28-07-2013, 05:09 PM
RE: Snowden Situation
(28-07-2013 05:04 PM)Momsurroundedbyboys Wrote:  
(28-07-2013 04:48 PM)ridethespiral Wrote:  Not really, there is an expectation of privacy between you and the server and from there both you and the company are bound by the terms of service agreement.

The government is no different than the hacker stealing your credit card during an ecomm transaction.

No it's always limited. Your ISP knows what you do...the question is do they care? They're really too busy enticing people to use their service and keep their service up and running. Not unless law enforcement cares or a government agency cares. It also doesn't mean one of their IT guys can't look up what you're doing. Just like using works computer system to check your Facebook or email. You're giving them access to each and every keystroke.

Yeah but the ISPs are not the government and the government should not have the right to demand the information.

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28-07-2013, 05:14 PM
RE: Snowden Situation
(28-07-2013 05:09 PM)ridethespiral Wrote:  
(28-07-2013 05:04 PM)Momsurroundedbyboys Wrote:  No it's always limited. Your ISP knows what you do...the question is do they care? They're really too busy enticing people to use their service and keep their service up and running. Not unless law enforcement cares or a government agency cares. It also doesn't mean one of their IT guys can't look up what you're doing. Just like using works computer system to check your Facebook or email. You're giving them access to each and every keystroke.

Yeah but the ISPs are not the government and the government should not have the right to demand the information.

In an ideal situation, yes. You're right. The government shouldn't have the right to. However, they do. They do because they know that we have to sacrifice SOME things in order to ensure the safety of the country.

Remember, ISP are a business, and they see it in their best interests to appease the government.

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28-07-2013, 05:16 PM
RE: Snowden Situation
(28-07-2013 05:09 PM)ridethespiral Wrote:  
(28-07-2013 05:04 PM)Momsurroundedbyboys Wrote:  No it's always limited. Your ISP knows what you do...the question is do they care? They're really too busy enticing people to use their service and keep their service up and running. Not unless law enforcement cares or a government agency cares. It also doesn't mean one of their IT guys can't look up what you're doing. Just like using works computer system to check your Facebook or email. You're giving them access to each and every keystroke.

Yeah but the ISPs are not the government and the government should not have the right to demand the information.

Of course they should! If your using your computer to distibute say kiddie porn across state lines or to another country, the government has every right to seize your computer and build a case against you and your contacts.

The same is true for people who use the Internet to coordinate acts of terrorism.


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28-07-2013, 06:35 PM
RE: Snowden Situation
(28-07-2013 05:16 PM)Momsurroundedbyboys Wrote:  
(28-07-2013 05:09 PM)ridethespiral Wrote:  Yeah but the ISPs are not the government and the government should not have the right to demand the information.

Of course they should! If your using your computer to distibute say kiddie porn across state lines or to another country, the government has every right to seize your computer and build a case against you and your contacts.

The same is true for people who use the Internet to coordinate acts of terrorism.

Only if the government has justified cause to think that you are breaking the law.

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29-07-2013, 12:18 AM
RE: Snowden Situation
(28-07-2013 05:16 PM)Momsurroundedbyboys Wrote:  
(28-07-2013 05:09 PM)ridethespiral Wrote:  Yeah but the ISPs are not the government and the government should not have the right to demand the information.

Of course they should! If your using your computer to distibute say kiddie porn across state lines or to another country, the government has every right to seize your computer and build a case against you and your contacts.

The same is true for people who use the Internet to coordinate acts of terrorism.

If they have probable cause, they should be required to obtain permission or a warrant, just like they would if they wanted to search your house, car, etc. They shouldn't have rampant access to everyone's information.

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29-07-2013, 12:47 AM
RE: Snowden Situation
(29-07-2013 12:18 AM)eksyte Wrote:  
(28-07-2013 05:16 PM)Momsurroundedbyboys Wrote:  Of course they should! If your using your computer to distibute say kiddie porn across state lines or to another country, the government has every right to seize your computer and build a case against you and your contacts.

The same is true for people who use the Internet to coordinate acts of terrorism.

If they have probable cause, they should be required to obtain permission or a warrant, just like they would if they wanted to search your house, car, etc. They shouldn't have rampant access to everyone's information.

Well they do. It's law and deemed legal.


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29-07-2013, 01:02 AM
RE: Snowden Situation
(29-07-2013 12:47 AM)Momsurroundedbyboys Wrote:  
(29-07-2013 12:18 AM)eksyte Wrote:  If they have probable cause, they should be required to obtain permission or a warrant, just like they would if they wanted to search your house, car, etc. They shouldn't have rampant access to everyone's information.

Well they do. It's law and deemed legal.

And you're OK with that?

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29-07-2013, 01:48 AM
Snowden Situation
Oh...... Still no details as to what he released that was classified?


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29-07-2013, 01:58 AM
RE: Snowden Situation
(29-07-2013 01:02 AM)eksyte Wrote:  
(29-07-2013 12:47 AM)Momsurroundedbyboys Wrote:  Well they do. It's law and deemed legal.

And you're OK with that?

I don't think anyone is OK with it. I just think that we are arguing that the government has the legal right to do what they are doing right now.

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29-07-2013, 03:19 AM
RE: Snowden Situation
(29-07-2013 01:02 AM)eksyte Wrote:  
(29-07-2013 12:47 AM)Momsurroundedbyboys Wrote:  Well they do. It's law and deemed legal.

And you're OK with that?

I'm more concerned with what they do with it rather than if they can collect it. There is no implied right to privacy on the internet however we do still have the 1st Amendment so unless you are discussing breaking the law (and by that I mean directly planning on carrying out a felony) then what you say is protected. As for gathering of the info the government has always and will always do so and to pretend otherwise or that it is always nefarious is to be very naive.

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