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27-07-2013, 09:19 PM
RE: Snowden Situation
Quote:But they can...
It's entirely legal.

The government is not allowed to spy on US citizens without a valid reason and right to defense. If I am so naive and so crazy for thinking I can have privacy, why are all those people in Germany protesting? I'd say because they haven't given up on freedom yet. You thinking this NSA activity is acceptable is where you are completely wrong.

Quote:You can waste your whole life then, perhaps your opinion will change when you leave home and have to actual experience the world.
It's so precious when teenagers say they're going to save the world.
Mmmk, you go do that son, you go save the world.

Using my lifetime to fight for justice, protection of civil liberties, and constitutional rights will not be a waste, I assure you. While I may not save the world, I will be much more useful than you and your badmouthing of freedom and privacy. I would be ashamed if I was you.

Quote:As you said, it was technically legal and considering that is all that matters your argument is invalid.


You obviously don't understand the importance of the constitution and it's overlording properties, but no law is allowed to contradict it, which the Patriot Act blatantly does. While I understand now that I was wrong before with the technical aspects of laws in the US, which I think are ridiculous, the NSA acts were legal in the most shallow of means. Since they contradict the constitution so obviously and will be repealed and be found unconstitutional in the future, what Snowden did was justified because he brought the attention of the people to the subject. Now the public knows that the government has been spying on them even more than we thought before. Obama has been found to be a liar, because he said he would stop this NSA "illegal" wire tapping before he even got into office and ended up doing nothing. I'd say that is a pretty big accomplishment for one man. All this being said, I think I have a perfectly reasonable argument, and I would challenge you to disprove the fact that the NSA actions are unconstitutional, despite of the overwhelming evidence.

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27-07-2013, 09:24 PM
RE: Snowden Situation
(27-07-2013 09:18 PM)earmuffs Wrote:  Seriously, you're all a bunch of hypocritical wieners.
"ohh boohoo the terrorists are operating within in the US and fucking up our little world and the government aren't doing anything about it"
"ohh boohoo the government is doing something about it"

Sure, there is a line between sacrificing freedoms and protection but this hardly even comes close to crossing it...

This NSA activity goes up to the line, tramples all over it, rips it up, then goes 20 miles past it. It blatantly contradicts the constitution which ensures us 100% privacy in our personal accounts, and this NSA stuff doesn't allow us that. Therefore, the actions should be illegal and cannot be tolerated.

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27-07-2013, 09:32 PM (This post was last modified: 27-07-2013 09:36 PM by Lienda Bella.)
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There's no way possible that someone would use trolling techniques to get the treasure chest. :3 Trolls are never convincing anyway, because they never say the same stuff we heard a lot for years. *ends sarcasm*

Not saying OP is a troll. I mean something else. :3 Whoot.
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27-07-2013, 09:33 PM
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(27-07-2013 09:32 PM)Lienda Bella Wrote:  There's no way possible that someone would use trolling techniques to get goodies.

What?

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27-07-2013, 09:34 PM
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(27-07-2013 09:13 PM)ridethespiral Wrote:  
(27-07-2013 08:53 PM)Momsurroundedbyboys Wrote:  Fix't

Ya and uh huh...

You gotta lot of growing up to do.

Kind of a cheap shot. It's not like any one grown up has much power over the situation either. Casting a vote in a sham election is not exactly a display of power. If he wanted to join some protests, make a web site, circulate some memes etc. he could have more of an influence on the matter than you or I (provided you are not a congresswoman or something momsurrounded).

But yeah I agree technically it's been deemed legal, it should not have been, I feel it to be unconstitutional, Jimmy Carter has gone through an extra pack of depends over it....but it was deemed legal. Like it or not Elegant it's an uphill battle and 'it be some bullshit aight.'

You're right it was. But it's easy when you're young to think you'll never compromise anything. Until you are responsible for soemthing more important than yourself.


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27-07-2013, 09:37 PM (This post was last modified: 27-07-2013 09:41 PM by Lienda Bella.)
RE: Snowden Situation
(27-07-2013 09:33 PM)elegant_atheist Wrote:  
(27-07-2013 09:32 PM)Lienda Bella Wrote:  There's no way possible that someone would use trolling techniques to get goodies.

What?

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27-07-2013, 09:39 PM
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Quote:The government is not allowed to spy on US citizens without a valid reason and right to defense. If I am so naive and so crazy for thinking I can have privacy, why are all those people in Germany protesting? I'd say because they haven't given up on freedom yet. You thinking this NSA activity is acceptable is where you are completely wrong.

They're protesting because the liberals will protest anything and everything.
Being the loudest doesn't mean you are the consensus. Also, since when did "look, they're doing it" become an argument lol? You know you're on an atheist forum right?

It does have a valid reason. Where else are the FBI gonna get fapping material from? duh.

"ohh yes, that's it, read that news article ip address 123.23.23.1, fuck yeah right there, that's the spot!"

Quote:Using my lifetime to fight for justice, protection of civil liberties, and constitutional rights will not be a waste, I assure you. While I may not save the world, I will be much more useful than you and your badmouthing of freedom and privacy. I would be ashamed if I was you.

Lol.
I just wanna pinch your checks right now.

Quote:You obviously don't understand the importance of the constitution and it's overlording properties, but no law is allowed to contradict it, which the Patriot Act blatantly does. While I understand now that I was wrong before with the technical aspects of laws in the US, which I think are ridiculous, the NSA acts were legal in the most shallow of means. Since they contradict the constitution so obviously and will be repealed and be found unconstitutional in the future, what Snowden did was justified because he brought the attention of the people to the subject. Now the public knows that the government has been spying on them even more than we thought before. Obama has been found to be a liar, because he said he would stop this NSA "illegal" wire tapping before he even got into office and ended up doing nothing. I'd say that is a pretty big accomplishment for one man. All this being said, I think I have a perfectly reasonable argument, and I would challenge you to disprove the fact that the NSA actions are unconstitutional, despite of the overwhelming evidence.

I don't need too, others have done that.

But to repeat what they said, it was legal and what Snowden did was illegal.
He could have gone through legal procedures to blow the whistle, but he didn't, so tough biscuits to him.

Quote:This NSA activity goes up to the line, tramples all over it, rips it up, then goes 20 miles past it. It blatantly contradicts the constitution which ensures us 100% privacy in our personal accounts, and this NSA stuff doesn't allow us that. Therefore, the actions should be illegal and cannot be tolerated.

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27-07-2013, 09:40 PM
RE: Snowden Situation
(27-07-2013 09:34 PM)Momsurroundedbyboys Wrote:  
(27-07-2013 09:13 PM)ridethespiral Wrote:  Kind of a cheap shot. It's not like any one grown up has much power over the situation either. Casting a vote in a sham election is not exactly a display of power. If he wanted to join some protests, make a web site, circulate some memes etc. he could have more of an influence on the matter than you or I (provided you are not a congresswoman or something momsurrounded).

But yeah I agree technically it's been deemed legal, it should not have been, I feel it to be unconstitutional, Jimmy Carter has gone through an extra pack of depends over it....but it was deemed legal. Like it or not Elegant it's an uphill battle and 'it be some bullshit aight.'

You're right it was. But it's easy when you're young to think you'll never compromise anything. Until you are responsible for soemthing more important than yourself.

I shouldn't have ever told anyone my age, now some of you are using the age as an indicator of my naivety and foolishness. This is disappointing.

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27-07-2013, 09:42 PM
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No, it was pretty clear before you told them your age.
It just made you from a stupid retard to a naive kid which is more forgiving.

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27-07-2013, 09:44 PM
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Let's not forget that this kid is only a year younger (possibly less) than me.

If you want to make a big deal about his age, and criticize him for it, you need to know that I think that pointing out age is bullshit.

I don't really appreciate how some of you people point at him being young, and then using it to insult him. Mostly because I don't see age as the problem, I see lack of experience, and lack of insight and information as the key factors.

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