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01-11-2013, 05:51 PM
RE: So. I had a presentation about Abortion at school.
(01-11-2013 05:48 PM)The_Thinking_Theist Wrote:  
(01-11-2013 05:02 PM)Anjele Wrote:  Dafuq? Blink

I mean: yes, all he said was fact but there is more to truth than facts.

Consider


No


(I realize you're playing on semantics here, but that's stretching the truth a bit too far)

But now I have come to believe that the whole world is an enigma, a harmless enigma that is made terrible by our own mad attempt to interpret it as though it had an underlying truth.

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01-11-2013, 05:52 PM
RE: So. I had a presentation about Abortion at school.
(01-11-2013 05:50 PM)Minimalist Wrote:  
Quote:I am not a Christian you fucking ignorant fool!

Doesn't matter. None of them are any better or worse than any other. You are still a dickhead.

How dare you come up with an oxymoron like "thinking theist?" Talk about a misnomer.

I am a theist who utilizes his frontal lobe in a productive manner (well, at least most would say so Tongue )

So why do you think I don't think?
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01-11-2013, 05:55 PM
RE: So. I had a presentation about Abortion at school.
(01-11-2013 05:51 PM)evenheathen Wrote:  
(01-11-2013 05:48 PM)The_Thinking_Theist Wrote:  I mean: yes, all he said was fact but there is more to truth than facts.

Consider


No


(I realize you're playing on semantics here, but that's stretching the truth a bit too far)

(Maybe this is for the existence thread, but here it goes)

Both theists and atheists have faith that is greater than scientific fact.

Theists have faith that there is God.

Atheists have faith there is no God.

Both have irrefutable proofs, but belief requires a degree of faith.

So why not be agnostic? Because I have faith, as do you, which leads me to believe in God.
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01-11-2013, 05:58 PM
RE: So. I had a presentation about Abortion at school.
(01-11-2013 05:55 PM)The_Thinking_Theist Wrote:  
(01-11-2013 05:51 PM)evenheathen Wrote:  Consider


No


(I realize you're playing on semantics here, but that's stretching the truth a bit too far)

(Maybe this is for the existence thread, but here it goes)

Both theists and atheists have faith that is greater than scientific fact.

Theists have faith that there is God.

Atheists have faith there is no God.

Both have irrefutable proofs, but belief requires a degree of faith.

So why not be agnostic? Because I have faith, as do you, which leads me to believe in God.

No, atheists do not have faith there is no god.

I see no evidence of gods, therefore I lack any belief in gods.

There is no proof either for or against the existence of any gods.

Skepticism is not a position; it is an approach to claims.
Science is not a subject, but a method.
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01-11-2013, 06:00 PM
RE: So. I had a presentation about Abortion at school.
(01-11-2013 05:58 PM)Chas Wrote:  
(01-11-2013 05:55 PM)The_Thinking_Theist Wrote:  (Maybe this is for the existence thread, but here it goes)

Both theists and atheists have faith that is greater than scientific fact.

Theists have faith that there is God.

Atheists have faith there is no God.

Both have irrefutable proofs, but belief requires a degree of faith.

So why not be agnostic? Because I have faith, as do you, which leads me to believe in God.

No, atheists do not have faith there is no god.

I see no evidence of gods, therefore I lack any belief in gods.

There is no proof either for or against the existence of any gods.

Impossible; what you see as lack of proof is faith that there is a lack of proof. No matter how you spin it, there is always faith involved.
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01-11-2013, 06:39 PM
RE: So. I had a presentation about Abortion at school.
(01-11-2013 06:00 PM)The_Thinking_Theist Wrote:  
(01-11-2013 05:58 PM)Chas Wrote:  No, atheists do not have faith there is no god.

I see no evidence of gods, therefore I lack any belief in gods.

There is no proof either for or against the existence of any gods.

Impossible; what you see as lack of proof is faith that there is a lack of proof. No matter how you spin it, there is always faith involved.

That's some silly weasel-wording. No, I see no evidence. That has nothing to do with faith.

I didn't say "there is no evidence" or "I believe there's no evidence". I said "I see no evidence". That is a statement of fact.

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01-11-2013, 06:47 PM
RE: So. I had a presentation about Abortion at school.
(01-11-2013 06:39 PM)Chas Wrote:  
(01-11-2013 06:00 PM)The_Thinking_Theist Wrote:  Impossible; what you see as lack of proof is faith that there is a lack of proof. No matter how you spin it, there is always faith involved.

That's some silly weasel-wording. No, I see no evidence. That has nothing to do with faith.

I didn't say "there is no evidence" or "I believe there's no evidence". I said "I see no evidence". That is a statement of fact.

You just don't want to say I'm right about something.
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01-11-2013, 06:48 PM
RE: So. I had a presentation about Abortion at school.
As soon as you are right about something...we will note it.

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01-11-2013, 07:15 PM
RE: So. I had a presentation about Abortion at school.
(01-11-2013 06:47 PM)The_Thinking_Theist Wrote:  
(01-11-2013 06:39 PM)Chas Wrote:  That's some silly weasel-wording. No, I see no evidence. That has nothing to do with faith.

I didn't say "there is no evidence" or "I believe there's no evidence". I said "I see no evidence". That is a statement of fact.

You just don't want to say I'm right about something.

If I said you were right, we'd both be wrong.

I tell you that my lack of belief in gods is based on the lack of evidence, and you incorrectly term that 'faith'. Look up the word 'faith' because you don't seem to know the meaning.

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01-11-2013, 07:19 PM
RE: So. I had a presentation about Abortion at school.
(01-11-2013 06:00 PM)The_Thinking_Theist Wrote:  Impossible; what you see as lack of proof is faith that there is a lack of proof. No matter how you spin it, there is always faith involved.

Not quite faith. Semantics again. Rolleyes

I see no evidence, therefore I lack faith that there is a god. You are correct, I identify (if we have to use labels) as atheistic agnostic.

faith (fth)
n.
1. Confident belief in the truth, value, or trustworthiness of a person, idea, or thing.
2. Belief that does not rest on logical proof or material evidence. See Synonyms at belief, trust.
3. Loyalty to a person or thing; allegiance: keeping faith with one's supporters.
4. often Faith Christianity The theological virtue defined as secure belief in God and a trusting acceptance of God's will.
5. The body of dogma of a religion: the Muslim faith.
6. A set of principles or beliefs.

As far as atheism goes, it is simply a lack of faith. Ergo.......not faith.

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