So I just had a presentation on intelligent design.
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19-03-2012, 01:41 PM
RE: So I just had a presentation on intelligent design.
(19-03-2012 10:22 AM)ALovelyChickenMan Wrote:  
(19-03-2012 09:59 AM)kineo Wrote:  Disproving evolution wouldn't necessarily mean proving that god exists. If either could be done, though, then I would adjust accordingly.

But, it had better be strongly and thoroughly peer reviewed before I'd accept it.

It would. Disproving evolution means that all science is false and everyone would have to accept the god that they once rejected. Then the church will take over the world and develop our knowledge through the bible.

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This is slightly off topic but when does a theory become an accepted one (like the theory of evolution) and stay a hypothesis (like the string theory I think)

How does discrediting evolution make ALL science false?

No way would it make me accept god. He is an evil SOB.

Maybe god is really the devil and he's got the real god, the good guy, stashed away some place. Rolleyes But I digress.

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19-03-2012, 02:20 PM
RE: So I just had a presentation on intelligent design.
I hate unjustified label of "evilution" amongst the Christian community. There is absolutely nothing ungodly about evolution.

In fact, theologically speaking, evolution emphasizes God and places more grandeur on Him and His omniscience.

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19-03-2012, 02:35 PM
RE: So I just had a presentation on intelligent design.
By theologically you mean unfounded conjecture?

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19-03-2012, 02:38 PM
RE: So I just had a presentation on intelligent design.
(19-03-2012 02:35 PM)Eternal Wrote:  By theologically you mean unfounded conjecture?

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19-03-2012, 03:17 PM
RE: So I just had a presentation on intelligent design.
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19-03-2012, 03:31 PM
RE: So I just had a presentation on intelligent design.
The term "evilution" is only used by those who would abuse observable evidence in order to make a point. It also has the side effect that it perpetuates among the uninformed the false claim that ID is inherently anti-evolution. It also does nothing to correct the (intended or benign) equivocation of the term "evolution" which can mean a myriad of things to different people at different times - often within the same conversation.

Neither side of the issue should be allowed resort to misrepresentation or the smearing of each others terms in order to make their case. That doesn't say much for whatever refutation is to follow.
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19-03-2012, 04:31 PM
RE: So I just had a presentation on intelligent design.
(19-03-2012 03:17 PM)znk666 Wrote:  Being an American must be fun,is it not?

I'm English Smile

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19-03-2012, 06:15 PM
RE: So I just had a presentation on intelligent design.
(19-03-2012 02:38 PM)kingschosen Wrote:  
(19-03-2012 02:35 PM)Eternal Wrote:  By theologically you mean unfounded conjecture?

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It was a genuine question. I was basing it on my own understanding of theology which may be incorrect. I believe it to be the study of scripture with a rational mind, to better understand the holy books etc. My problem with this is that for a rational mind to view it as anything other than myth there would need to be some evidence that the contents we're in fact what they say they are. As there is no evidence of this, why would a rational mind seriously study it.

So whilst you can study scripture as mythology with a rational mind, I believe we create a paradox to say a rational mind would study it and afford it any more authority than a work of complete fiction.

All this only applies of course if your definition of theology is the same as or similar to mine. If so then you must admit that it bypasses the fundamental question of why should I study this, on what grounds do I grant it any authority. Skipping this and going straight to discussing the contents is not something that many rational minds would do.

Seeing as you posted a picture also I thought I'd post one back.


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21-03-2012, 06:17 PM
RE: So I just had a presentation on intelligent design.
(19-03-2012 09:51 AM)ALovelyChickenMan Wrote:  ... and surprise surprise it was a concentrated display of ignorance in about 10 minutes. It resulted in multiple facepalms as one would expect ("Michael Behe uses evidence to come to a conclusion the differs from the norm..." lol) but that isn't the focus here.

He kept on talking about the reason why people don't want to consider it is because the possibility of it being wrong would send many scientists out of their job blah blah blah so I wonder, would you care if new evidence (yes evidence not just blind speculation) came along and discredited evolution? So instead of skipping from evolution to a designer what about something like punctuated equilibrium.

The thing that's made me appreciate science is that fact that it's self correcting not a static article that reaches a conclusion before they've seen the facts. Although the chances of evolution being disproved to that extent is extremely low, what do you think would happen if it was?

I think this sums it up,



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21-03-2012, 06:19 PM
RE: So I just had a presentation on intelligent design.
Very good beat poem.

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