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29-06-2010, 05:26 PM
So I was thinking
I was talking with someone today about how in classes in both high school, and college, stated that science and technology is 100 years behind. That society should be more advanced than it is now. Religion is the main reason why society is so behind technological speaking. I mean people throughout history were too intimidated to do anyhting that would go against god, making intelligent people unwilling to advance science, thus slowing technological progress. Anyway it is sad to think about how we are living like people should have in 1910 if religion was never around, and that today should be like how society might be in 2110. Think about all of the diseases we might have cures for, and solutions to other problems if it were not for religion in the present day.
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29-06-2010, 07:57 PM
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What are you talking about? The Dark Ages were the step back we needed to take to gain perspective on everything, if it weren't for that we never would have suffered through and cured the plague while fighting dozens of holy wars and acting like stone age apes!

You really need to work on your perspective! Tongue

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29-06-2010, 08:24 PM
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Your whole mindset is perverted. The church is a GREAT benefit for our society. Without the church preaching that molestation is ok, who would fill our prison cells? The church creates jobs! Think of all the prison guards and workers who would be homeless without the church.

You don't get rich writing science fiction. If you want to get rich, you start a religion. - L. Ron Hubbard (Creater of Scientology)
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30-06-2010, 03:19 AM
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its guite interesting that in middle ages, when the christian west was all busy burning heretics and people who claim something that the church doesnt agree with, at the same time in the islamic east nature science and physics were well respected and supported.
i would even say that back then the islamic east was a better place than the christian west because when people escaped the church to the east, they didnt just kill every christian who they saw but they were given a chanche: lose your head or your christian faith. the jews lived pretty peacefully in the islamic east back then and sometimes even christians were not turned into muslims, only if there was war between the east and the west.
things have chanched alot

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30-06-2010, 02:52 PM
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like the posts. lol if only people were never curious to begin with and never invented the idea of a god. does anyone know who the first gods were? were they invented by cave men or something? the earliest i can think of our the greek and roman ones.
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30-06-2010, 03:54 PM
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my theory:
gods were invented when humen had some much tools, hunting equipment, fire and such, and they started to have more and more spare time, when they didnt have to run in the forest finding food and just trying to survive like all the other species. that was the point wich i think ''seperated'' humen from other species.
think of a primitive cave man who starts to think, what is that big lightball in the sky or what is causing different kind of weather conditions. of course he's gonna start to explain it with gods and spirits and slowly as languages develope, people start telling more percise stories wich spread from generation to generation and at some point youve got yourself a religion.

im not a specialist and i havent studied or done any research, thats just what i think is the most probable way for gods to have been invented.

we dont know much of primitive gods or religions, because they werent usually written and the stories of gods and all religious beliefs spreaded from mouth to mouth.
very much of knowledge about ancient gods and beliefs, at least in north, was destroyed when christianity spreaded. ill have a small example:
a big part of estonian mythology was lost because people started to write stuff down as late as in the 1800-1900. the way christianity came to estonia is the main cause of it, the church did a crusade to estonia as they didnt turn into christians without fighting back. so everyone who didnt turn into a christian was killed.
of course people who had been violently turned under the churches authority were still afraid of their pagan gods and kept sacrificing food to them, but if you got caught, flame on! burn the heretic!
the way finland turned under the churches athority was very peaceful, some local fight erupted of course but small ones. but the mythology was kept somehow alive as even the priests were afraid of the pagan gods and they sacrificed food, wine and other stuff to them too.
so the religious beliefs kinda mixed up and it can be noticed from the stories that elias lönnrot collected in the 19th century, even the most pagan stories have been influenced by christian beliefs.
world would be much better if somebody wouldnt have started to use religion as a tool to get more power and authority.

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30-06-2010, 04:24 PM
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(30-06-2010 02:52 PM)omega21 Wrote:  does anyone know who the first gods were? were they invented by cave men or something? the earliest i can think of our the greek and roman ones.

I don't know if anyone on the face of the planet can field that one, but certainly Greek and Roman gods are pretty close to the beginning, although I would imagine tribal African cultures and the Egyptian myths are older considering the evolution of man is heavily invested in the idea that we all came from Africa and migrated outwards.

Certainly the first RECORDED gods were Egyptian/middle eastern/Greek but I think you'd be hard pressed to go much further back than that...

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30-06-2010, 06:00 PM
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I'm pretty sure that the Sumerian gods are the first known gods.

You don't get rich writing science fiction. If you want to get rich, you start a religion. - L. Ron Hubbard (Creater of Scientology)
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01-07-2010, 08:16 AM
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(30-06-2010 06:00 PM)Moshe Wrote:  Sumerian

Good call...

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