So... how 'bout that South China Sea eh?
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10-07-2015, 05:49 PM
So... how 'bout that South China Sea eh?
So, how 'bout it?
Chinese claim it's theirs, they're building a bunch of islands probably for either military or oil purposes (or both). There's land disputes over some of the existing islands there and the Philo's are taking the China's to international court (not that that will do shit) over it. Thailand claim some islands too as does 'Nam and Malaysia and Indonesia and every other dog and his bone. And so the Yanks can't stay out so they send in some warships to "scout" the region (when anyone that's played a strategy game will know that you don't send a warship to scout a region you send a scout plane with a +5 visibility perk but w/e).

So with America showing "concern for stability in the region" (and by that I mean concern over an increasingly powerful China), nearby neighboring countries getting pissed off anyone else think absolutely nothing will come of this and China will continue to do whatever the fuck it wants?

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10-07-2015, 06:58 PM
RE: So... how 'bout that South China Sea eh?
To counter this - we should build islands in Lake Superior -- and tell the Canadians that we're taking over.......................



Seems fair to me....

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10-07-2015, 08:49 PM
RE: So... how 'bout that South China Sea eh?
They watched how America and most of the various world powers and alliances (UK, NATO, UN) have been dealing with Syria, ISIS, and Russia. And by "dealing with them" I mean we've pretty much been holding meetings with various world leaders, coming to the conclusion that the best solution is to strongly condemn their actions, possibly make a baseless threat that we have no intention of upholding, and to then do nothing. They also know that in about a year there is the potential for new leadership, at least in the U.S., that could feasibly alter the way we deal with such situations. With a year of predictable complacency from those who would likely oppose their move, and a lot to gain from said move whether in the form of resource domination or strategic location acquisition (or creation in this case) or both, China would be irrational not to make this move. It benefits them, and there is little chance of anyone confronting them on it.

I've also been keeping an eye on the Nicaragua Canal project. Though far from a done deal at this point, the strategic shifts that could come from such a project, if it were to come to fruition, are much bigger than most people realize.

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03-09-2015, 08:52 AM
RE: So... how 'bout that South China Sea eh?
A little Chinese war porn released by Tencent in conjunction with the 70th anniversary of V-Day. To summarize...

• Some random alliance violates international law against China.
• China launches a counter attack.
• The vehicles of the bad guys all look suspiciously Americanish Tongue
• China conquers and sticks a flag on an imaginary island that looks kind of like Okinawa.
• Ends with the phrase "我们热爱和平, 但也要准备好面对未来可能的战争。" which means "We ardently love peace, but must also be prepared to confront possible war in the future."

Nothing new to the conversation really, just thought it was cool.




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03-09-2015, 09:07 AM
RE: So... how 'bout that South China Sea eh?
Oh and Xi Jinping just announced he'll be cutting troops by 300,000.

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03-09-2015, 09:23 AM
RE: So... how 'bout that South China Sea eh?
(03-09-2015 08:52 AM)yakherder Wrote:  • The vehicles of the bad guys all look suspiciously Americanish Tongue

Suspiciously American-ish?

Every single one was clearly American equipment particularly the unique-to-USA naval vessels (though I couldn't quite figure out how the F-22s at the end suddenly turned into F-35s when the Chinese fighters shot back).

I've read about the ballistic anti-fleet missiles designed to be carrier killers; those are terrifyingly hard to stop, and the Naval Institute article I read on it said that it would effectively keep us away from the Chinese coast (meaning out of our naval aircraft striking range) in the event of a conflict in the region.

Some parts were kinda funny, like their Badger bombers dropping the Chinese version of a very old Russian cruise missile, or the part where the Chinese sub sneaks up on a Los Angeles-class attack sub. Not happening! The Chinese Navy (PLAN) is getting rapidly better, but not that rapidly. Heh. Their Air Force, though, is getting quickly nasty, between their versions of Russian Sukhois built under license and a few newer indigenous classes of fighter that appear to be pretty nasty, especially in the numbers they're being built.

Why does all this matter? Because it was Japan's attempt to control some of the same south Pacific oil regions (then controlled by the Dutch and Brits), plus the European holding of strategic control of the straits around the Philippines and en route to the Indian Ocean, that led to American interference in that region, and led to the attack at Pearl Harbor, and all that followed.

The "Spratley" Islands, the straits of Malacca, etc., have great potential for conflict between China and one of our allies, and if we step in, we're going to get hurt far more than the American people are willing to tolerate. China knows this. It has only a little to do with them watching us in Syria, etc., and everything to do with an awareness of the problems of projecting military power clear across the world and still maintaining "acceptable losses" (in our terms) in a conflict with anyone we don't totally overpower. China is building rapidly to where they would actually overpower the USA, if we fight anywhere near their turf.

I'd be shocked if we don't see more aggressiveness in the coming decade. All the reports I've seen predicted force-parity on the local scale by 2015, absolute local superiority by 2020, and a significant ability to project force by 2030. I am now about to get on the road to go junkyard shopping for parts in Cape, so I gotta run, and can't drag up links, but suffice to say it scares the shit out of me if we hold on to the idea of projecting our Empire across the globe via military force.

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03-09-2015, 09:23 AM
RE: So... how 'bout that South China Sea eh?
(03-09-2015 09:07 AM)yakherder Wrote:  Oh and Xi Jinping just announced he'll be cutting troops by 300,000.

Yeabut when you have 2.3million what's 300,000?
And is he cutting it or is it just that 300,000 are becoming redundant as the Chinese army becomes more technologically advanced?

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03-09-2015, 10:31 AM
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(03-09-2015 09:23 AM)earmuffs Wrote:  And is he cutting it or is it just that 300,000 are becoming redundant as the Chinese army becomes more technologically advanced?

That one.

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03-09-2015, 10:35 AM
RE: So... how 'bout that South China Sea eh?
(03-09-2015 09:07 AM)yakherder Wrote:  Oh and Xi Jinping just announced he'll be cutting troops by 300,000.

Well, that does sound like America. Dodgy

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03-09-2015, 11:13 AM
RE: So... how 'bout that South China Sea eh?
(03-09-2015 09:23 AM)earmuffs Wrote:  
(03-09-2015 09:07 AM)yakherder Wrote:  Oh and Xi Jinping just announced he'll be cutting troops by 300,000.

Yeabut when you have 2.3million what's 300,000?
And is he cutting it or is it just that 300,000 are becoming redundant as the Chinese army becomes more technologically advanced?

They've got about 10,000 active, highly trained special operations soldiers. The rest are mostly cannon fodder, which as we discussed in a different thread is pointless. There are too many ways to clear large numbers of vulnerable troops quickly and cheaply that numbers really just don't matter that much anymore. On the ground, advances in technology has actually made small group infantry tactics more critical, as opposed to less like many would assume. So yeah, it makes sense to cut numbers and use what you save towards making the remaining soldiers better trained and better equipped. As it stands, many of their soldiers are still equipped with simplistic AK knockoffs that are capable only of full auto with no semi auto capability. That might sound scary to the uninformed public that is irrationally scared of untrained idiots behind machine guns, but what it implies to those of us who know better is that they don't even have the funding to train them to shoot, so they're basically just set aside as untrained, poorly equipped, spray and pray distractions.

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