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28-06-2013, 05:31 AM
RE: So if God is everywhere, is he in hell too?
You should have just had that title, then when you enter the thread all your post would say is "checkmate theists".
But w/e, too late now.
Just my unwanted 2cents, carry on TTA.

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28-06-2013, 05:46 AM
RE: So if God is everywhere, is he in hell too?
(27-06-2013 10:12 PM)amav.eram Wrote:  
(27-06-2013 08:14 PM)dancefortwo Wrote:  I need some education here, my friends. As a life long non believer and un-schooled in religious dogma (thank you Mom and Dad) I've come to understand that, according to christians, god is everywhere. I'm talkin' everywhere..........under each leaf and twig, inside each cell and on the other side of the universe too. So with that in mind logically god would also be in hell too. Now I know logic has zero to do with religion but how do religious folks explain this. Is god not in hell but is everywhere else? Does he choose not to be in hell as punishment for those sent there or something? How can god be everywhere but not everywhere? Does god go to hell to check up on things or is god banned from hell because Satan has more power there? Is Satan in hell? Educate me, oh former christians.

I mean, what the hell's going' on here?

Going on the theology... Psalm 139 says very clearly that God is present in hell. Any further explanation of the doctrine of hell in my experience depends on which denomination or sub-group of denomination or revelation you want to adhere to...

Actually just looked it up cos that didn't sound right.

It depends which bible you use...

"Where can I go from your Spirit?
Where can I flee from your presence?
8 If I go up to the heavens, you are there;
if I make my bed in the depths, you are there." NIV


"8 If I ascend up into heaven, thou art there: if I make my bed in hell, behold, thou art there." KJV

I couldn't really care less which is the "correct" version, but I bet it's the NIV, because the ancient Jews didn't believe in hell, or heaven for that matter.
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28-06-2013, 05:55 AM
Re: RE: So if God is everywhere, is he in hell too?
(27-06-2013 10:12 PM)amav.eram Wrote:  
(27-06-2013 08:14 PM)dancefortwo Wrote:  I need some education here, my friends. As a life long non believer and un-schooled in religious dogma (thank you Mom and Dad) I've come to understand that, according to christians, god is everywhere. I'm talkin' everywhere..........under each leaf and twig, inside each cell and on the other side of the universe too. So with that in mind logically god would also be in hell too. Now I know logic has zero to do with religion but how do religious folks explain this. Is god not in hell but is everywhere else? Does he choose not to be in hell as punishment for those sent there or something? How can god be everywhere but not everywhere? Does god go to hell to check up on things or is god banned from hell because Satan has more power there? Is Satan in hell? Educate me, oh former christians.

I mean, what the hell's going' on here?

Going on the theology... Psalm 139 says very clearly that God is present in hell. Any further explanation of the doctrine of hell in my experience depends on which denomination or sub-group of denomination or revelation you want to adhere to...

This isn't "theology" but what many get their concepts of Satan and Hell is Paradise Lost.. And it follows from that idea.

Satan doesn't think God has any presence in Hell but towards the end of the epic it's shown God is present in hell as he turns all the devils into serpents for a moment.

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28-06-2013, 06:28 AM
RE: So if God is everywhere, is he in hell too?
(27-06-2013 08:59 PM)BryanS Wrote:  Kind of off topic, but had me thinking about the properties of Hell.

One of those urban legend chain emails that went around when I was in school and taking thermodynamics:

Is Hell Exothermic or Endothermic?

A thermodynamics professor had written a take home exam for his graduate students. It had one question: Is hell exothermic (giving off heat) or endothermic (taking in or absorbing heat)? Support your answer with a proof.
Most of the students wrote proofs of their beliefs using Boyle's Law or some variant. One student, however, wrote the following:

First, we postulate that if souls exist, then they must have some mass. If they do, then a mole of souls can also have a mass. So, at what rate are souls moving into hell and at what rate are souls leaving? I think that we can safely assume that once a soul gets to hell, it will not leave. Therefore, no souls are leaving. As for souls entering hell, let's look at the different religions that exist in the world today. Some of these religions state that if you are not a member of their religion, you will go to hell. Since there are more than one of these religions and people do not belong to more than one religion, we can project that all people and all souls go to hell. With birth and death rates as they are, we can expect the number of souls in hell to increase exponentially. Now, we look at the rate of change in volume in hell. Boyle's Law states that in order for the temperature and pressure in hell to stay the same, the ratio of the mass of souls and volume needs to stay constant.

A1: So, if hell is expanding at a slower rate than the rate at which souls enter hell, then the temperature and pressure in hell will increase until all hell breaks loose.
A2: Of course, if hell is expanding at a rate faster than the increase of souls in hell, then the temperature and pressure will drop until hell freezes over.

So which is it? If we accept the postulate given to me by Therese Banyan during Freshman year, that "it will be a cold night in hell before I sleep with you" and take into account the fact that I still have not succeeded in having sexual relations with her, then A2 cannot be true, and hell is exothermic.


The student got the only A.

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28-06-2013, 07:18 AM
RE: So if God is everywhere, is he in hell too?
Yes, God is in Hell.

Not sure where all the mumbo jumbo of "God can't be in the presence of sin" came from but that's a CLEAR contradiction to God's omnipotence.

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28-06-2013, 07:23 AM
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(28-06-2013 07:18 AM)kingschosen Wrote:  Yes, God is in Hell.

Not sure where all the mumbo jumbo of "God can't be in the presence of sin" came from but that's a CLEAR contradiction to God's omnipotence.

So you're saying there is no possible separation from god? (not considering annihilation)

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28-06-2013, 07:38 AM
RE: So if God is everywhere, is he in hell too?
(28-06-2013 07:23 AM)evenheathen Wrote:  
(28-06-2013 07:18 AM)kingschosen Wrote:  Yes, God is in Hell.

Not sure where all the mumbo jumbo of "God can't be in the presence of sin" came from but that's a CLEAR contradiction to God's omnipotence.

So you're saying there is no possible separation from god? (not considering annihilation)

Depends on how you look at it.

God can never be separated from us, but we can be separated from Him. The non-elect are separated from him ie they can never be "of God"; however, they are still in the presence of God.

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28-06-2013, 07:39 AM
RE: So if God is everywhere, is he in hell too?
Is the answer to these questions actually wrote about in any texts or are people who could try and answer it simply "Filling in the gaps"

If it is written.... what does it say?

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You are your own emphasis.
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28-06-2013, 07:42 AM
RE: So if God is everywhere, is he in hell too?
(28-06-2013 07:18 AM)kingschosen Wrote:  Yes, God is in Hell.

Not sure where all the mumbo jumbo of "God can't be in the presence of sin" came from but that's a CLEAR contradiction to God's omnipotence.

So then what is hell?

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28-06-2013, 07:57 AM
RE: So if God is everywhere, is he in hell too?
(28-06-2013 07:42 AM)Dom Wrote:  
(28-06-2013 07:18 AM)kingschosen Wrote:  Yes, God is in Hell.

Not sure where all the mumbo jumbo of "God can't be in the presence of sin" came from but that's a CLEAR contradiction to God's omnipotence.

So then what is hell?

All anthropomorphized bs.
Would have to be a "state of being", apart from or "other than" this universe, not a "place". Therefore all "location" references, (space), and temporal references (time, ie "going to") are tossed out. Good luck with what remains.

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