Poll: Are you progressive, do you think most here are and do you think conservatives may be uncomfortable here?
I identify as progressive, I think most people here are also progressive and yes I do think conservatives probably feel uncomfortable sharing their political views here.
I identify as progressive, I think most people here are also progressive but I doubt if conservatives actually feel uncomfortable sharing their political views here.
I identify as progressive but I doubt if most people here are also progressive and regardless I doubt if conservatives feel uncomfortable about sharing their political views here.
I identify as progressive but I doubt if most people here are also progressive and regardless conservatives probably do feel uncomfortable about sharing their political views here.
I identify as conservative but I think most people here are progressive, and I do in fact feel uncomfortable sharing my political views here.
I identify as conservative but I think most people here are progressive, and I at least do not feel uncomfortable sharing my political views here.
I identify as conservative but I don't think most people here are progressive, and I do in fact feel uncomfortable sharing my political views.
I identify as conservative but I don't think most people here are progressive, and I at least do not feel uncomfortable sharing my political views.
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29-06-2017, 09:47 PM
RE: So is this site also predominantly progressive rather than conservative politically?
(29-06-2017 09:10 PM)JesseB Wrote:  
(29-06-2017 06:52 PM)Dr H Wrote:  As usual, no choice for the anarchists. <sigh> When will the oppression end? Huh

S'ok, I'm used to it. I don't identify as "progressive" and I don't identify as "conservative".
But I do think that -- with the exception of a few hardy souls -- conservatives probably don't feel too comfortable expressing conservative views here.

C'est la vie.
Anarchists are used to getting kicked in both cheeks, by the right and the left, so we've learned to be careful about where we bend over.
If we can deal with it, so can they. Tongue

I happen to like the things you have to say.... Does that make me an Anarchist? lol

Anarchist/Nihilist, just the flip sides of the same coin...
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29-06-2017, 09:54 PM
RE: So is this site also predominantly progressive rather than conservative politically?
I want to find the point where personal liberties are high without people being able to fuck each other over, and where society takes care of its vulnerable members. I don't like more rules than necessary to achieve that. I find politics extremely confusing, but I try my best to get involved.

I don't get conservatism. It seems to be more about either telling people what to do, or moving away from caring for the vulnerable. Obviously I don't like either of those things. I'm sure it's way more complex than that, but our fucking Tories and Trump aren't making that apparent to me.

I don't see why anyone should be embarrassed to present their political views here, as long as they make some sort of sense.

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29-06-2017, 10:18 PM
RE: So is this site also predominantly progressive rather than conservative politically?
(29-06-2017 07:01 PM)ImFred Wrote:  
(29-06-2017 06:52 PM)Dr H Wrote:  As usual, no choice for the anarchists. <sigh> When will the oppression end? Huh

S'ok, I'm used to it. I don't identify as "progressive" and I don't identify as "conservative".
But I do think that -- with the exception of a few hardy souls -- conservatives probably don't feel too comfortable expressing conservative views here.

C'est la vie.
Anarchists are used to getting kicked in both cheeks, by the right and the left, so we've learned to be careful about where we bend over.
If we can deal with it, so can they. Tongue

lol

I can't even wrap my head around the choices. Putting together that OP is more work than I'm willing to do even at WORK.


Hey, it gave me a day off from being retired.

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Man got to sit and wonder 'why, why, why?'
Tiger got to sleep, bird got to land;
Man got to tell himself he understand.”

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29-06-2017, 10:22 PM
RE: So is this site also predominantly progressive rather than conservative politically?
(29-06-2017 11:51 AM)Thumpalumpacus Wrote:  I couldn't vote in your poll, because I identify as a centrist, cherry-picking those positions I like from all parties.


What if I asked it like this:

Do you find yourself content with the status quo and inclined to defend it as is,

or,

do you notice those left out and find yourself inclined to tinker with it?

That to me is at the heart of the this particular difference. "Conservative" and "progressive" probably carry too much baggage.

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Man got to sit and wonder 'why, why, why?'
Tiger got to sleep, bird got to land;
Man got to tell himself he understand.”

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29-06-2017, 10:55 PM
RE: So is this site also predominantly progressive rather than conservative politically?
(29-06-2017 10:22 PM)whateverist Wrote:  
(29-06-2017 11:51 AM)Thumpalumpacus Wrote:  I couldn't vote in your poll, because I identify as a centrist, cherry-picking those positions I like from all parties.


What if I asked it like this:

Do you find yourself content with the status quo and inclined to defend it as is,

or,

do you notice those left out and find yourself inclined to tinker with it?

That to me is at the heart of the this particular difference. "Conservative" and "progressive" probably carry too much baggage.

I'm certainly the latter. I think some issues are best handled by government, and some best handled by the private sector.

I think most of us, no matter our political views, regard the status quo as horseshit.
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30-06-2017, 12:14 AM
RE: So is this site also predominantly progressive rather than conservative politically?
(29-06-2017 09:47 PM)Fireball Wrote:  
(29-06-2017 09:10 PM)JesseB Wrote:  I happen to like the things you have to say.... Does that make me an Anarchist? lol

Anarchist/Nihilist, just the flip sides of the same coin...

Touche

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30-06-2017, 10:50 AM
RE: So is this site also predominantly progressive rather than conservative politically?
I haven't seen very many actual conservatives; I see Republicans. Not the same thing at all.

I really don't mind actual conservatives being/having a voice because I think a valid conservative position can be healthy if not necessary (at least from a fiscal standpoint). But the American version of "conservative" is bullshit and doesn't really resemble actual conservatism.

On the same note, the left has a problem with the DNC, though IMO not as jarring at the right.
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30-06-2017, 11:06 AM
RE: So is this site also predominantly progressive rather than conservative politically?
Am I reading this right, that a conservative position is meant to be about keeping things as they are? So presumably, whether or not someone stayed conservative would depend on whether things actually did change or not? It would seem weird to want to always preserve the status quo regardless of what it is.

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30-06-2017, 11:15 AM
RE: So is this site also predominantly progressive rather than conservative politically?




Used to be a radical
Pissed on the Pentagon
Didn't have no values
Didn't know what was goin on

I climbed over the White House fence
Just to see who was the president
I put flowers in the soldiers' guns
Till the tear gas made me run

I drove a truck full of ice cream
Tried to hit Spiro Agnew at 60 miles an hour
Just to see if the sucker had a chance to scream
You know I changed my ways, I cut my hair
I declared land war - pure hell
Pure hell y'all

Used to be a radical
Pissed on the Pentagon - think I'm makin it up?
High all the time
Takin lsd on the White House lawn

You know something changed my mind
It was a billy club to the head
If it wasn't for quick action by some freaky doctors
Root Boy Slim be long since dead

Used to be a radical
Used to be a radical
Used to piss on the Pentagon

Watch out for that tear gas, man... Big Grin

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30-06-2017, 11:17 AM
RE: So is this site also predominantly progressive rather than conservative politically?
(30-06-2017 11:06 AM)Robvalue Wrote:  Am I reading this right, that a conservative position is meant to be about keeping things as they are? So presumably, whether or not someone stayed conservative would depend on whether things actually did change or not? It would seem weird to want to always preserve the status quo regardless of what it is.

Increasingly in the United States, conservatives want to go back to simpler times when the U.S. was on top of the world, even if they misremember what that actually meant and even if we fall further and further behind the rest of the world as a result. They can't seem to cope with the changes caused by population growth, technological advances, increased global competition, and climate change. They don't even understand that the U.S. position after WWII was unique and will not be repeated. It's nostalgia at its worst.
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