So remember when that teacher gave me a book to read..
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30-10-2016, 10:00 AM
So remember when that teacher gave me a book to read..
Can't remember the name of the book but it was why the bible is 100% true.. I sent the book back with notes.
The teacher sent back a four page response.. Most of it was ramblings but he thanked me for reading it.
From the top of my head his responses were basically downing science because something is basically a fact until it's not and the process starts over
The bible has never been disproven by fact
Atheists twist things in the bible to mean what they want
Atheists are mostly athiest because they don't want to be held to a higher standard
The prophecy of tyre is true
Jewish people take prophecy out of context to show Jesus isn't the messiah

So what responses do we have to this man?
If I get a chance after work I'll post more detail of his response but that's basically the just of it.
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30-10-2016, 10:11 AM
RE: So remember when that teacher gave me a book to read..
(30-10-2016 10:00 AM)Jewelarcher Wrote:  From the top of my head his responses were basically downing science because something is basically a fact until it's not and the process starts over

Then Odin is the ruler of the universe and only the heroic go to Valhalla after death. Ask him to prove you wrong.

Quote:The bible has never been disproven by fact

Genesis and Exodus are effectively completely disproven as literal truth.

Quote:Atheists twist things in the bible to mean what they want

We're just trying to follow the example set by theists

Quote:Atheists are mostly athiest because they don't want to be held to a higher standard

Arrogant, obnoxious, patronizing bullshit. Tell him that theists are mostly theists because they are too scared to think for themselves and then tell him that's the type of claim he's making.

Quote:The prophecy of tyre is true

He has a very strange definition of truth. What was that bit about people twisting things to mean what they want?

Quote:Jewish people take prophecy out of context to show Jesus isn't the messiah

That's between the Jews and the Christians. The Jews see one meaning in the text and the Christians see another. I don't see any reason to believe either.

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30-10-2016, 10:13 AM
RE: So remember when that teacher gave me a book to read..
If it was me, I'd tell him, "Grow up, sonny! Reality doesn't owe us an explanation!"

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30-10-2016, 10:22 AM (This post was last modified: 30-10-2016 02:17 PM by jennybee.)
RE: So remember when that teacher gave me a book to read..
Re: Science: "something is basically a fact until it's not and the process starts over"

Um, yeah, that's what Science is. So basically, just believe everything at face value that an ancient book is telling you. Why not do the same things with the Vedas from Hinduism or The Egyptian Pyramid Texts?

The bible has never been disproven by fact

It has several times over via science, history, archaeology.

Atheists twist things in the bible to mean what they want

That is what Christians do. Going against mainstream scholarly research and relying on what is written in the pages of a magical book--that is twisting things to mean what you want.

Atheists are atheists because they don't want to be held to a higher standard.

I'm an atheist because after researching the Bible I don't believe it to be the word of a deity. I don't feel this way about any of the other religious texts I've read either. I'm an atheist because I want to live to a higher standard than what is found in the Bible with a genocidal, tyrannical God.

The prophecy of tyre is true

There are many prophecies in the Bible that never came true. If you have a book the size of the Bible, a few things could end up coming to fruition just naturally. Why didn't all prophecies come true if the Bible is true, why only a handful? Also, "prophecies" were often written in after the fact.

Jewish people take prophecy out of context to show Jesus isn't the messiah

No. That is what Christians are doing to try and show Jesus is the messiah. From aish.com

Jews do not accept Jesus as the messiah because:
Jesus did not fulfill the messianic prophecies.
Jesus did not embody the personal qualifications of the Messiah.
Biblical verses "referring" to Jesus are mistranslations.
Jewish belief is based on national revelation.

Also, it is *their* book, so I think Jews know what they are talking about when they say they were not referring to Jesus Wink
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30-10-2016, 11:16 AM
RE: So remember when that teacher gave me a book to read..
@Jewelreacher

Others already gave good responses so I won't write same thing. In my opinion your teacher is simply too stupid/indoctrinated to waste time for "discussion" with him. His responses clearly showed he knows shit so there is no reason for further interaction.

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30-10-2016, 12:20 PM
RE: So remember when that teacher gave me a book to read..
The "Prophecy of Tyre" (Biker Version)

If it has tits or wheels -

You'll have problems with it.

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30-10-2016, 12:35 PM
RE: So remember when that teacher gave me a book to read..
(30-10-2016 12:20 PM)onlinebiker Wrote:  The "Prophecy of Tyre" (Biker Version)

If it has tits or wheels -

You'll have problems with it.

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30-10-2016, 12:54 PM
RE: So remember when that teacher gave me a book to read..
I thought the prophecy of Tyre didn't come true. I thought the prophecy was that Nebuchadnezzar was supposed to completely destroy Tyre but this never happened. Tyre was under siege for like 10 years or so by good old Neb but it was never destroyed. Alexander the Great partially destroyed it a couple centuries later but it was built back and is a thriving city today. This all disproves the prophecy. Prophecies are stupid anyway so it's all a moot point.

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30-10-2016, 02:16 PM
RE: So remember when that teacher gave me a book to read..
Why bother replying? You already know that his response is "ramblings" and there's little that you can say to change his mind.

Here, read this instead:
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30-10-2016, 02:21 PM
RE: So remember when that teacher gave me a book to read..
(30-10-2016 12:54 PM)dancefortwo Wrote:  I thought the prophecy of Tyre didn't come true. I thought the prophecy was that Nebuchadnezzar was supposed to completely destroy Tyre but this never happened. Tyre was under siege for like 10 years or so by good old Neb but it was never destroyed. Alexander the Great partially destroyed it a couple centuries later but it was built back and is a thriving city today. This all disproves the prophecy. Prophecies are stupid anyway so it's all a moot point.

Exactly. I don't get how they can claim this is a true prophecy.

The guy the prophecy said would do the job failed to do more than to take the less-defended outskirts (inland part) of the town, which was rebuilt after the siege lifted.

The fortress was taken by Alexander but, despite the claim of the prophecy that it would be forever a barren rock, it actually became a better place to live because the causeway added to the land area. It's quite a lovely little peninsula, today:

[Image: Tyre-satellite.jpg]

Now, Christians like to point out that the ruins of the part of Tyre that was destroyed by Nebuchadnezzar remains rubble to this day... but as you can see from the satellite photo, that is not even close to the majority of the city, and that far from being "a barren rock" and "a place for fishermen to dry their nets", the ruined part is actually a historically preserved site within the thriving urban perimeter.

There are several ways I've seen them try to justify the prophecy (some even claim that Alexander's destruction of the city was part of the same prophecy, under the many nations like waves bit), some more ludicrous than others. Suffice it to say that you'll never convince them that this is a failed prophecy, because you can squint and turn your head sideways and read it however you want, and that makes it a True Prophecy™ after all. Wink

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