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21-09-2015, 07:12 AM
So, tell me, is this place mainly strong atheism?
Are there any weak atheists here?

I don't claim any title or category. I would submit that human consciousness survives the body, remains localized, continues evolving, and transits in and out of form continuously, as does everything else in this universe.

I prefer to call myself a rationalist.

The last website I joined, last year, would have none of it, and I ended up getting kicked off the site when I suggested a guy avoid my threads. I lasted a week. I found, all in all, that some atheists can be as provincial and pedantic as the stock religious types.

My submission is that the phenomenal is the tip of the iceberg and that the metaphysical underpins all observable reality. Certain people thought I was foolish.

My background is in the quantum mechanics of consciousness as promulgated by Maharishi Mahesh Yogi.

Finally, all theistic religions are tragically false. There is no knowable form of any type of god. If there were, it would be known and accepted as the same thing on a wholesale level. Such a thing doesn't exist. If there were a god, it would not be a function of belief. It would be a common reality. There would be no need for any religions.

Further, to know that a god exists requires foreknowledge of what that god is - that we can identify it when we come in contact with it. Foreknowledge is an impossibility. Ergo: even if there were a god, we could not know it.
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21-09-2015, 07:28 AM
RE: So, tell me, is this place mainly strong atheism?
Quote: "I would submit that human consciousness survives the body, remains localized, continues evolving, and transits in and out of form continuously, as does everything else in this universe.

I prefer to call myself a rationalist."

It's interesting you put these two contradictory statements in this order.

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Rational means accepting what is knowable, testable, observable.

Any existence past death is none of these.

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21-09-2015, 07:30 AM
RE: So, tell me, is this place mainly strong atheism?
Welcome to TTA.

(21-09-2015 07:12 AM)Obie Wrote:  Are there any weak atheists here?

Yes. There's a mix, as you'd expect from any community.

(21-09-2015 07:12 AM)Obie Wrote:  ... I would submit that human consciousness survives the body, remains localized, continues evolving, and transits in and out of form continuously, as does everything else in this universe.

I prefer to call myself a rationalist.
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I'd be intrigued to hear a rational argument for that submission ... it strikes me as contradictory.

(21-09-2015 07:12 AM)Obie Wrote:  ...
provincial and pedantic
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Innocent of the former; guilty of the latter.
Sample size = 1

(21-09-2015 07:12 AM)Obie Wrote:  ...
My submission is that the phenomenal is the tip of the iceberg and that the metaphysical underpins all observable reality. Certain people thought I was foolish.
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My prediction: truescotsman and Girlyman are going to have fun with that.

(21-09-2015 07:12 AM)Obie Wrote:  ...
Ergo: even if there were a god, we could not know it.

I guess that depends on the definition of a given god.


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21-09-2015, 07:32 AM
RE: So, tell me, is this place mainly strong atheism?
Evidence motherfucker, do you speak it?

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21-09-2015, 07:32 AM
RE: So, tell me, is this place mainly strong atheism?
Edited for misread - I'll keep the jackass part. Big Grin

Now that I have pontificated like a jackass, welcome!

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21-09-2015, 07:33 AM
RE: So, tell me, is this place mainly strong atheism?
(21-09-2015 07:12 AM)Obie Wrote:  Are there any weak atheists here?

I don't claim any title or category. I would submit that human consciousness survives the body, remains localized, continues evolving, and transits in and out of form continuously, as does everything else in this universe.

I prefer to call myself a rationalist.

The last website I joined, last year, would have none of it, and I ended up getting kicked off the site when I suggested a guy avoid my threads. I lasted a week. I found, all in all, that some atheists can be as provincial and pedantic as the stock religious types.

My submission is that the phenomenal is the tip of the iceberg and that the metaphysical underpins all observable reality. Certain people thought I was foolish.

My background is in the quantum mechanics of consciousness as promulgated by Maharishi Mahesh Yogi.

Finally, all theistic religions are tragically false. There is no knowable form of any type of god. If there were, it would be known and accepted as the same thing on a wholesale level. Such a thing doesn't exist. If there were a god, it would not be a function of belief. It would be a common reality. There would be no need for any religions.

Further, to know that a god exists requires foreknowledge of what that god is - that we can identify it when we come in contact with it. Foreknowledge is an impossibility. Ergo: even if there were a god, we could not know it.

I don't think you'll get too many to agree with you about consciousness separate from a brain and there are numerous threads that have debated this to the point I'm sick of the subject. The science simply is not there to back up the notion of duality.

I can agree with you that IF (a big if!) there is a god, there is no way that us humans could comprehend it. There's no way we could make even the most basic assumptions about it, would it be a force? Would it be the universe? Would it set the universe in motion than disappear completely, oblivious to human existence? Did it cease to exist after the universe was made?

We have no way to know about or even test this proposition, so it's best not to worry about it too much. Thumbsup

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21-09-2015, 07:34 AM
RE: So, tell me, is this place mainly strong atheism?
#fuckingmorondog.

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21-09-2015, 07:34 AM (This post was last modified: 21-09-2015 07:58 AM by DLJ.)
RE: So, tell me, is this place mainly strong atheism?
(21-09-2015 07:28 AM)onlinebiker Wrote:  Quote: "I would submit that human consciousness survives the body, remains localized, continues evolving, and transits in and out of form continuously, as does everything else in this universe.

I prefer to call myself a rationalist."

It's interesting you put these two contradictory statements in this order.

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Rational means accepting what is knowable, testable, observable.

Any existence past death is none of these.

I'm glad you find it interesting.

I don't expect you to catch up over night or soon, for that matter.

So what percent of this site is hard atheism? The kind of mindset that disavows the possibility for the continuation of consciousness?
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21-09-2015, 07:37 AM
RE: So, tell me, is this place mainly strong atheism?
Oh dear Christ Facepalm Another clown who wants to spam links to their site.

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21-09-2015, 07:38 AM (This post was last modified: 21-09-2015 07:58 AM by DLJ.)
RE: So, tell me, is this place mainly strong atheism?
(21-09-2015 07:34 AM)Obie Wrote:  
(21-09-2015 07:28 AM)onlinebiker Wrote:  Quote: "I would submit that human consciousness survives the body, remains localized, continues evolving, and transits in and out of form continuously, as does everything else in this universe.

I prefer to call myself a rationalist."

It's interesting you put these two contradictory statements in this order.

.....

Rational means accepting what is knowable, testable, observable.

Any existence past death is none of these.

I'm glad you find it interesting.

I don't expect you to catch up over night or soon, for that matter.

So what percent of this site is hard atheism? The kind of mindset that disavows the possibility for the continuation of consciousness?

I don't know what percentage of the forum is "hard atheist", but I can tell you that if you hope to have a chance at all to convince anyone of anything, you need to look up the definition of "scientific evidence" and stop posting Woo about black holes being the origin of consciousness. Drinking Beverage

Excuse me, I'm making perfect sense. You're just not keeping up.

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