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23-09-2015, 12:38 PM
RE: So, tell me, is this place mainly strong atheism?
(22-09-2015 09:27 PM)Obie Wrote:  
(22-09-2015 04:10 AM)houseofcantor Wrote:  Hug

Of course I was just being silly. My days of seeking attention and validation are long past. When I spin up some Gwynnite crap, it's like me sharing a happy thought with my peeps; but if I get to doing it often enough, Imma scrounge the rough draft of the book of Gwynnite from those posts. Why fill up my hard drive with that clutter? Laugh out load


If that's going wrong, I ain't ever going right. I love my Gwynnies everz! Heart
Of course, I can always serve as an example to these people if they ever want to come out from behind the pulpit and interact. Wink

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My brother had returned from a residence course at Maharishi International University in Fairfield, Iowa, where regular TM mediators could gather to enjoy additional rounds of meditation, mixed in with readings from the Rig Veda, and along with nightly doses of Samaveda - both of which were regarded as further aids in deepening and purifying consciousness.

The weekend my brother had attended his residence course at MIU was shortly after the "first wave" of the new TM-Sidha initiates has just completed the first "sidhis" course at the university - which was the administration of an array of mantras aimed at opening certain passageways in the brain to "stitch enlightenment" into the brain through the practice of super-normal abilities - passageways that had been atrophied for millennia.

The more talked-about mantra, or "sutra", had to do with levitation. It was the only sutra that had an externally-manifest aspect to it. The rest of the sutras produced inner experiences only.

All the sutras, or sidhis, were derived from ancient Vedic tradition. Maharishi Mahesh Yogi decided to share them with the world. He devised the TM-Sidhi Programme.

Levitation was the only sutra that initiates were legally empowered to discuss. (None of this is top secret anymore, and can be found on the internet.)

Levitation was the crowing sutra, or ability, as it purportedly was designed to effectively result in perfect inter-hemispheral brain wave synchrony.

It requires a fully-wired and functioning brain to fly, as it were.

The goal was not in the outer manifestation of the sutra, but in the inner experience, and the changes it made to the brain.

Anyway, as my brother had experienced during the three days he was in Fairfield and during his usual and regular TM meditation rounds, he began to spontaneously levitate.

Not paying it much mind, he thought it cool and curious, but nothing more.

He returned home having not addressed the nascent issue with any of the instructors at MIU.

But the next morning, back at home, things took a decisive leap forward, or upward, as it were, and suddenly, he could not stop levitating.

I can still remember the phone call I received at the bank where I worked - with my brother at the other end - entreating me to come home (to my parent's home where he still lived) as he was quite unnerved by the fact that he was sitting on the floor in his bedroom in full lotus one moment, and in the next, he was shielding his head from banging into the ceiling.

I arrived at my parent's house, and what I saw was quite the spectacle - and way outside my frame of reference. It was shocking as it was bizarre.

My first idea was to help to hold him down so he would stop hitting his head on the ceiling.

My next idea was to call our local TM instructor to check out the situation - a female we both knew well, and who was also a trained sidha.

She arrived, and when she entered the room, she too started to lose her ability to remain stationary - so she sat in a wooden chair and wrapped her feet around the legs. Quite overwhelmed at the unfolding predicament, she suggested that my brother try to normalize his body by going for a long walk, and by getting some fresh air.

What was happening with my brother was unprecedented. There was no script, nor patented remedy for what he was experiencing. I doubt it had happened anywhere on this planet - before - or since.

I went back to work, and the next phone call I got from my brother was a bit more promising. He had gone for a long walk, and although he had shot up into the air a few times, by the time he had returned, things seemed normal.

That afternoon, my brother and I decided that he should come to my apartment for his/our late meditation, just for precaution - in case he spun out of control with my parents around.

So he came over around 5 PM, and I took a mattress off my bed and put it on the floor.

I figured that if he started to levitate, and then came crashing back down as he had done earlier, I wanted him to land softly, and to not break anything.

We both closed our eyes, and began to meditate.

Instantly, my brother started to levitate. And as soon as he started to levitate, I started to levitate. (By levitation, I mean shooting up into the air and coming right back down. Sustained levitation - or hovering, as it were, is not yet possible - not on this planet with the weight of mass consciousness (which is none too pristine) and with its primary governing effect on all consciousness.

Anyway, we both laid down, and soon stopped levitating.

My brother's spontaneous levitation stories continued for days - many quite outrageous and funny (especially the ones that occurred in public, like when my friends and I had to carry my brother out of a restaurant like a surf board as he was knocking everything off our table each time he shot upward. It caused quite the stir inside the restaurant.) But eventually we both normalized and developed enough control to know when to stop meditating, before we started levitating.

We signed up for the next Sidhis course at MIU, learned the actual techniques, and we were subsequently able to control our levitating from that point forward.

So yes, I attribute these experiences to the behavior of the unified field - to the quantum physics of consciousness.

My brother had been immersed in the (local) quantum field where the possibility of levitation was a vibrating actuality, and his consciousness was thus sympathetically activated. And when I came in proximity to his sector of the quantum field, it excited my/our shared/immediate sector of the quantum field, as it were, and the dominos fell.

I no longer practice the sidhis, but as testament to their authenticity and what they ostensibly imply as far as our innate ability and potential are concerned, whenever I watch a movie with people flying, such as the more recent Super Man movie, my whole body reacts. I feel my legs get lighter and my torso wants to take off, and take flight.

In sum, I feel I know a thing or two about what we are designed to be - and how consciousness is the basic platform upon which all possibilities and potentialities both rest and reside - and why, and how, it is a quantum thing.

No, it's not yet proven. It's theory.

But it's a working theory, as far as I'm concerned.

And it's one which is being tested in the field of quantum physics.

Incidentally, as my brother and I were predictably the first two initiates on our course to meet with success in the performance of the levitation sutra, we were aptly nicknamed "The Wright Brothers" by the course administrator.

No, I am not an apologist for the TM movement. I am aware all that has been levied against it. I remain skeptical to a degree. I do not associate with, nor identify with any group or organization. So spare me the cutting and pasting of all the negative press, and remark just upon what is herein written.

I am a proponent of the quantum mechanics of consciousness.

My operating reality is based on the notion that all that exists, rises and falls as waves upon the same sea of consciousness.

To my mind, it discounts all bifurcated universe/segregationist theology models.

In short, all is one.

To better explain it, I would like to post/embed a video by Dr. John Hagelin, if anyone might instruct me how, and if anyone might be interested.

I am also aware of the negative press on John Hagelin.

My take is that Max Plank, the father of quantum physics, would be in agreement with him, and support his work.

I also believe that Albert Einstein would be on board, but this is my own submission.

Dr. Hagelin refers to Einstein throughout his video.

We each and all live according to certain operative truths/realities/methodologies.

The key is not to hold on to them past their usefulness, and to always be open and ready to discard them when something more elevating and enlightening comes along.

To my mind, the litmus test is whether or not the operative reality supported by the truth points to an underlying/unifying singularity.

The quantum physics of consciousness is my current operative truth/reality.

It is one of total inclusion/non-judgment/sameness.

An ultimate singularity.

In this, I feel it is at least a more ethical framework for living both individually, and as a society.

It also discounts all philosophies based on differentiated states of worthiness before creation, i.e., western religion.

So you were lying about leaving?

Damn.

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23-09-2015, 01:08 PM
RE: So, tell me, is this place mainly strong atheism?
(21-09-2015 07:12 AM)Obie Wrote:  Are there any weak atheists here?

I consider myself an agnostic atheist. I'm atheist in that I don't believe in any gods, and agnostic because I don't believe you can prove nonfalsifiable things wrong (I know that's a tautology).


(21-09-2015 07:12 AM)Obie Wrote:  I don't claim any title or category. I would submit that human consciousness survives the body, remains localized, continues evolving, and transits in and out of form continuously, as does everything else in this universe.

I prefer to call myself a rationalist.

I know others have jumped on you for this already, but yeah, these two adjacent paragraphs don't seem to go together.
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RE: So, tell me, is this place mainly strong atheism?
(22-09-2015 09:27 PM)Obie Wrote:  My brother had returned from a residence course at Maharishi International University in Fairfield, Iowa, where regular TM mediators could gather to enjoy additional rounds of meditation, mixed in with readings from the Rig Veda, and along with nightly doses of Samaveda - both of which were regarded as further aids in deepening and purifying consciousness.

The weekend my brother had attended his residence course at MIU was shortly after the "first wave" of the new TM-Sidha initiates has just completed the first "sidhis" course at the university - which was the administration of an array of mantras aimed at opening certain passageways in the brain to "stitch enlightenment" into the brain through the practice of super-normal abilities - passageways that had been atrophied for millennia.

The more talked-about mantra, or "sutra", had to do with levitation. It was the only sutra that had an externally-manifest aspect to it. The rest of the sutras produced inner experiences only.

All the sutras, or sidhis, were derived from ancient Vedic tradition. Maharishi Mahesh Yogi decided to share them with the world. He devised the TM-Sidhi Programme.

Levitation was the only sutra that initiates were legally empowered to discuss. (None of this is top secret anymore, and can be found on the internet.)

Levitation was the crowing sutra, or ability, as it purportedly was designed to effectively result in perfect inter-hemispheral brain wave synchrony.

It requires a fully-wired and functioning brain to fly, as it were.

The goal was not in the outer manifestation of the sutra, but in the inner experience, and the changes it made to the brain.

Anyway, as my brother had experienced during the three days he was in Fairfield and during his usual and regular TM meditation rounds, he began to spontaneously levitate.

Not paying it much mind, he thought it cool and curious, but nothing more.

He returned home having not addressed the nascent issue with any of the instructors at MIU.

But the next morning, back at home, things took a decisive leap forward, or upward, as it were, and suddenly, he could not stop levitating.

I can still remember the phone call I received at the bank where I worked - with my brother at the other end - entreating me to come home (to my parent's home where he still lived) as he was quite unnerved by the fact that he was sitting on the floor in his bedroom in full lotus one moment, and in the next, he was shielding his head from banging into the ceiling.

I arrived at my parent's house, and what I saw was quite the spectacle - and way outside my frame of reference. It was shocking as it was bizarre.

My first idea was to help to hold him down so he would stop hitting his head on the ceiling.

My next idea was to call our local TM instructor to check out the situation - a female we both knew well, and who was also a trained sidha.

She arrived, and when she entered the room, she too started to lose her ability to remain stationary - so she sat in a wooden chair and wrapped her feet around the legs. Quite overwhelmed at the unfolding predicament, she suggested that my brother try to normalize his body by going for a long walk, and by getting some fresh air.

What was happening with my brother was unprecedented. There was no script, nor patented remedy for what he was experiencing. I doubt it had happened anywhere on this planet - before - or since.

I went back to work, and the next phone call I got from my brother was a bit more promising. He had gone for a long walk, and although he had shot up into the air a few times, by the time he had returned, things seemed normal.

That afternoon, my brother and I decided that he should come to my apartment for his/our late meditation, just for precaution - in case he spun out of control with my parents around.

So he came over around 5 PM, and I took a mattress off my bed and put it on the floor.

I figured that if he started to levitate, and then came crashing back down as he had done earlier, I wanted him to land softly, and to not break anything.

We both closed our eyes, and began to meditate.

Instantly, my brother started to levitate. And as soon as he started to levitate, I started to levitate. (By levitation, I mean shooting up into the air and coming right back down. Sustained levitation - or hovering, as it were, is not yet possible - not on this planet with the weight of mass consciousness (which is none too pristine) and with its primary governing effect on all consciousness.

Anyway, we both laid down, and soon stopped levitating.

My brother's spontaneous levitation stories continued for days - many quite outrageous and funny (especially the ones that occurred in public, like when my friends and I had to carry my brother out of a restaurant like a surf board as he was knocking everything off our table each time he shot upward. It caused quite the stir inside the restaurant.) But eventually we both normalized and developed enough control to know when to stop meditating, before we started levitating.

We signed up for the next Sidhis course at MIU, learned the actual techniques, and we were subsequently able to control our levitating from that point forward.

So yes, I attribute these experiences to the behavior of the unified field - to the quantum physics of consciousness.

My brother had been immersed in the (local) quantum field where the possibility of levitation was a vibrating actuality, and his consciousness was thus sympathetically activated. And when I came in proximity to his sector of the quantum field, it excited my/our shared/immediate sector of the quantum field, as it were, and the dominos fell.

I no longer practice the sidhis, but as testament to their authenticity and what they ostensibly imply as far as our innate ability and potential are concerned, whenever I watch a movie with people flying, such as the more recent Super Man movie, my whole body reacts. I feel my legs get lighter and my torso wants to take off, and take flight.

In sum, I feel I know a thing or two about what we are designed to be - and how consciousness is the basic platform upon which all possibilities and potentialities both rest and reside - and why, and how, it is a quantum thing.

No, it's not yet proven. It's theory.

But it's a working theory, as far as I'm concerned.

And it's one which is being tested in the field of quantum physics.

Incidentally, as my brother and I were predictably the first two initiates on our course to meet with success in the performance of the levitation sutra, we were aptly nicknamed "The Wright Brothers" by the course administrator.

No, I am not an apologist for the TM movement. I am aware all that has been levied against it. I remain skeptical to a degree. I do not associate with, nor identify with any group or organization. So spare me the cutting and pasting of all the negative press, and remark just upon what is herein written.

I am a proponent of the quantum mechanics of consciousness.

My operating reality is based on the notion that all that exists, rises and falls as waves upon the same sea of consciousness.

To my mind, it discounts all bifurcated universe/segregationist theology models.

In short, all is one.

To better explain it, I would like to post/embed a video by Dr. John Hagelin, if anyone might instruct me how, and if anyone might be interested.

I am also aware of the negative press on John Hagelin.

My take is that Max Plank, the father of quantum physics, would be in agreement with him, and support his work.

I also believe that Albert Einstein would be on board, but this is my own submission.

Dr. Hagelin refers to Einstein throughout his video.

We each and all live according to certain operative truths/realities/methodologies.

The key is not to hold on to them past their usefulness, and to always be open and ready to discard them when something more elevating and enlightening comes along.

To my mind, the litmus test is whether or not the operative reality supported by the truth points to an underlying/unifying singularity.

The quantum physics of consciousness is my current operative truth/reality.

It is one of total inclusion/non-judgment/sameness.

An ultimate singularity.

In this, I feel it is at least a more ethical framework for living both individually, and as a society.

It also discounts all philosophies based on differentiated states of worthiness before creation, i.e., western religion.

.....

Okay, first off, why the hell would anyone investigate some phenomenon on the macro scale involving multiple entire human beings weighing, I would imagine, at least 300 pounds combined using quantum physics, a science that relates to things weighing roughly 25 or more orders of magnitude less than that? That's a bit like trying to weigh a mountain using a kitchen scale. In theory, this would break the kitchen scale. In practice, it would bury the scale and most of the mountain's mass wouldn't be on the scale so you couldn't get a proper reading, and the reading you DID get would be as far right as the needle was capable of going and far, far short of the actual mass on the scale. (... actually, I'm pretty sure the mountain/kitchen scale analogy hugely UNDERSTATES the mass differential that we're talking about... lemme check... yeah, by two or three times the number of orders of magnitude.) cjlr, you're into quantum mechanics, is this as dumb as it sounds?

But more importantly, we're right back to the question epistemology.

The testimony you have given to us, stripping away long the presentation, amounts to three (EDIT: Four... one of these days I'll learn to count) pieces of evidence.

1) Your personal account of a supposed extraordinary phenomenon (levitation) which you witnessed and in which you participated.
2) Claims that various scientists would have or actually have supported this position.
3) You took a class on the subject at an institution devoted to it.
4) It suggests something that unifies us into a single whole.

Rather than explain to you why these things are not good reasons to believe something, I'll ask you to explain yourself why they aren't good reasons. Imagine you were being subjected to much the same proselytizing from a Christian, who relates the following points that mirror your own:

1) His experience with faith healing, including the many testimonies of both healers and healed believers and actually witnessing someone's stunted leg growing to match the other. Alternatively, the person could be claiming that they are themselves a faith healer who has done this. We can check on you-tube and easily find explanations about how this can be dismissed as the placebo effect or, in the case of the growing leg, just a stage trick, just like we saw various levitation tricks, but we obviously cannot go back in time to see the particular demonstration that our Christian nuisance friend is talking about, just like we can't go back and see your brother's levitation.

Is this a good reason for believing in the Christian god? If so, why do you not believe? If not, then why is your tale good reason for believing in TM? What differentiates the two pieces of evidence, making one valid and the other invalid?

2) Unlike you, who can only speculate that great scientists WOULD have believed, the Christian can make a firmer claim that great scientists DID believe. He cites, in particular, Einstein (who didn't but is frequently misquoted) and Newton (who did).

Is this a good reason for believing in the Christian god? If so, why do you not believe? If not, then why is your speculation about the scientists good reason for believing in TM? What differentiates the two pieces of evidence, making one valid and the other invalid?

3) The Christian took a class at a theological university, excelled there, and gained the power to faith-heal.

Is this a good reason for believing in the Christian god? If so, why do you not believe? If not, then why is your account a good reason for believing in TM? What differentiates the two pieces of evidence, making one valid and the other invalid?

4) The Christian argues that we are all equal before God, that our common origin from God unifies us as a human species, and that we are united in our relationship with God.

Is this a good reason for believing in the Christian god? If so, why do you not believe? If not, then why is your standard of a unifying singularity a good reason for believing in TM? What differentiates the two pieces of evidence, making one valid and the other invalid?

(EDIT-ADDITION: And finally, if none of these pieces of evidence are enough individually to believe, what about in combination? Is the collection a good reason for believing in the Christian god? If so, why do you not believe? If not, then why is your collection a good reason for believing in TM? What differentiates the two sets of evidence, making one valid and the other invalid?)

By all means, let's abandon old methodologies ... and old epistemologies ... that do not enlighten. But first, let's take a moment to figure out which ones do or don't enlighten, and which ones enlighten better than others, rather than just chucking them out unevaluated.

"If I ignore the alternatives, the only option is God; I ignore them; therefore God." -- The Syllogism of Fail
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23-09-2015, 02:16 PM
RE: So, tell me, is this place mainly strong atheism?
(22-09-2015 09:27 PM)Obie Wrote:  It requires a fully-wired and functioning brain to fly, as it were.

Yes...yes it does.

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23-09-2015, 05:48 PM
RE: So, tell me, is this place mainly strong atheism?
(23-09-2015 12:31 PM)Leo Wrote:  Yep I win !Yes

That's just fucking brilliant Leo. Clap

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23-09-2015, 05:58 PM
RE: So, tell me, is this place mainly strong atheism?
(23-09-2015 02:16 PM)Full Circle Wrote:  
(22-09-2015 09:27 PM)Obie Wrote:  It requires a fully-wired and functioning brain to fly, as it were.

Yes...yes it does.

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Always points for humor.

The human mind has the ability to transcend thought.

Beyond thought lies the absolute. The unified field. Pure consciousness. The non-specific, self-referral field of infinite possibility in which all that exists, first exists as possibility.

When the human mind touches this field, all it has to do is to introduce the slightest impulse or intent, and that intent can become instantly manifest - as in - creating from a state of nothingness to finished creation instantly.

Creation from pure intent.

This is how we are wired and what we are capable of.

Yet our minds are so underperforming and atrophied, along with our bodies, that such demonstrations of pure creation are not yet possible - not in a totally successful, nor recognizable way. But on a small scale, such demonstrations are possible, and through very small windows of time and space.

Levitation is one of those fleeting demonstrations of instant creation in which the meditator first spends time in meditation, allowing the mind to settle down more and more as it approaches the field of pure consciousness, and when the mind is as settled as it can be at that time, an impulse is introduced in the form of a sutra, or mantra - a sutra that is designed to produce a specific result - and given how settled the mind, and how immersed it is in the transcendent - the more immediate and successful the result.

Given our limitations at this time with the state of our minds, the unused proportion of our mind which does not and cannot yet map to the absolute, and the state of our bodies, the results of levitation only occur in fleeting moments, as the connection is gained and lost in an instant. But in that moment, the power is felt, and there are inner results that cannot be denied, many times in the form of intense bliss and incredible energy - and certainly later in the form of greater clarity, energy, and efficiency in all areas of life..

Attempting to understand and to accept this based on observation is not really possible. It has to be experienced. It is the underlying dynamic that is all-important to understand - that the unified field of all possibility supports all that exists and all that can exist. And it is only humans who have the ability to access this field at will and on a systematic basis - which is what Transcendental Meditation offers - a way to systematically contact and imbue the mind with the transcendent so that, more and more, it begins to act from that level, facilitating life in all ways to be as successful as it can be.
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23-09-2015, 06:04 PM
RE: So, tell me, is this place mainly strong atheism?
(23-09-2015 05:58 PM)Obie Wrote:  The human mind has the ability to transcend thought.

Nonsense phrase.

(23-09-2015 05:58 PM)Obie Wrote:  Beyond thought lies the absolute. The unified field. Pure consciousness. The non-specific, self-referral field of infinite possibility in which all that exists, first exists as possibility.

Four nonsense-phrase combo.

(23-09-2015 05:58 PM)Obie Wrote:  When the human mind touches this field, all it has to do is to introduce the slightest impulse or intent, and that intent can become instantly manifest - as in - creating from a state of nothingness to finished creation instantly.

Classic flim-flam.

(23-09-2015 05:58 PM)Obie Wrote:  This is how we are wired and what we are capable of.

Yet our minds are so underperforming and atrophied, along with our bodies, that such demonstrations of pure creation are not yet possible - not in a totally successful, nor recognizable way. But on a small scale, such demonstrations are possible, and through very small windows of time and space.

The snake-oil sales pitch.

(23-09-2015 05:58 PM)Obie Wrote:  Levitation is one of those fleeting demonstrations of instant creation in which the meditator first spends time in meditation, allowing the mind to settle down more and more as it approaches the field of pure consciousness, and when the mind is as settled as it can be at that time, an impulse is introduced in the form of a sutra, or mantra - a sutra that is designed to produce a specific result - and given how settled the mind, and how immersed it is in the transcendent - the more immediate and successful the result.

Impressing the credulous locals.

(23-09-2015 05:58 PM)Obie Wrote:  Attempting to understand and to accept this based on observation is not really possible. It has to be experienced. It is the underlying dynamic that is all-important to understand - that the unified field of all possibility supports all that exists and all that can exist.

Hand-waving away the possibility of scientific examination and logical analysis without understanding what either of those are or how they work.

(23-09-2015 05:58 PM)Obie Wrote:  And it is only humans who have the ability to access this field at will and on a systematic basis - which is what Transcendental Meditation offers - a way to systematically contact and imbue the mind with the transcendent so that, more and more, it begins to act from that level, facilitating life in all ways to be as successful as it can be.

Yep. It's the Secret Classic technique of bullshit salesmanship.

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23-09-2015, 06:26 PM
RE: So, tell me, is this place mainly strong atheism?
(23-09-2015 05:58 PM)Obie Wrote:  
(23-09-2015 02:16 PM)Full Circle Wrote:  Yes...yes it does.

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Always points for humor.

The human mind has the ability to transcend thought.

Beyond thought lies the absolute. The unified field. Pure consciousness. The non-specific, self-referral field of infinite possibility in which all that exists, first exists as possibility.

When the human mind touches this field, all it has to do is to introduce the slightest impulse or intent, and that intent can become instantly manifest - as in - creating from a state of nothingness to finished creation instantly.

Creation from pure intent.

This is how we are wired and what we are capable of.

Yet our minds are so underperforming and atrophied, along with our bodies, that such demonstrations of pure creation are not yet possible - not in a totally successful, nor recognizable way. But on a small scale, such demonstrations are possible, and through very small windows of time and space.

Levitation is one of those fleeting demonstrations of instant creation in which the meditator first spends time in meditation, allowing the mind to settle down more and more as it approaches the field of pure consciousness, and when the mind is as settled as it can be at that time, an impulse is introduced in the form of a sutra, or mantra - a sutra that is designed to produce a specific result - and given how settled the mind, and how immersed it is in the transcendent - the more immediate and successful the result.

Given our limitations at this time with the state of our minds, the unused proportion of our mind which does not and cannot yet map to the absolute, and the state of our bodies, the results of levitation only occur in fleeting moments, as the connection is gained and lost in an instant. But in that moment, the power is felt, and there are inner results that cannot be denied, many times in the form of intense bliss and incredible energy - and certainly later in the form of greater clarity, energy, and efficiency in all areas of life..

Attempting to understand and to accept this based on observation is not really possible. It has to be experienced. It is the underlying dynamic that is all-important to understand - that the unified field of all possibility supports all that exists and all that can exist. And it is only humans who have the ability to access this field at will and on a systematic basis - which is what Transcendental Meditation offers - a way to systematically contact and imbue the mind with the transcendent so that, more and more, it begins to act from that level, facilitating life in all ways to be as successful as it can be.



Quote:the unused proportion of our mind

This has been debunked. We use 100% of our brain.

http://hub.jhu.edu/2014/07/24/busting-a-brain-myth

Uh-oh, back to the drawing board for you.Laughat


Quote:Levitation is one of those fleeting demonstrations of instant creation in which the meditator first spends time in meditation

Fleeting demonstrations like this....

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or this....

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or this....

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You're really quite the nitwit aren't you.

Shakespeare's Comedy of Errors.... on Donald J. Trump:

He is deformed, crooked, old, and sere,
Ill-fac’d, worse bodied, shapeless every where;
Vicious, ungentle, foolish, blunt, unkind,
Stigmatical in making, worse in mind.
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23-09-2015, 07:02 PM
RE: So, tell me, is this place mainly strong atheism?
Why don't you just levitate yourself out of here? Dodgy

This is The Thinking Atheist, not the The Twinkling Woo-ist. Facepalm

Skepticism is not a position; it is an approach to claims.
Science is not a subject, but a method.
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23-09-2015, 09:24 PM
RE: So, tell me, is this place mainly strong atheism?
(23-09-2015 05:58 PM)Obie Wrote:  The human mind has the ability to transcend thought.

And what does it *do* there ? Facepalm

(23-09-2015 05:58 PM)Obie Wrote:  Beyond thought lies the absolute. The unified field. Pure consciousness. The non-specific, self-referral field of infinite possibility in which all that exists, first exists as possibility.

Woo bullshit, without a shred of evidence. Assertions are proof of nothing.
How would you *know* what was "beyond thought" without thinking about it ? Facepalm

(23-09-2015 05:58 PM)Obie Wrote:  When the human mind touches this field, all it has to do is to introduce the slightest impulse or intent, and that intent can become instantly manifest - as in - creating from a state of nothingness to finished creation instantly.

Prove it. Nice story. need a dragon or sexy vampire though.

(23-09-2015 05:58 PM)Obie Wrote:  Creation from pure intent.
This is how we are wired and what we are capable of.

Then how come we have never seen it ?

(23-09-2015 05:58 PM)Obie Wrote:  Yet our minds are so underperforming and atrophied, along with our bodies, that such demonstrations of pure creation are not yet possible - not in a totally successful, nor recognizable way. But on a small scale, such demonstrations are possible, and through very small windows of time and space.

Except you forgot to say when and where we see that. Pure unadulterated made up bullshit woo.

(23-09-2015 05:58 PM)Obie Wrote:  Levitation is one of those fleeting demonstrations of instant creation in which the meditator first spends time in meditation, allowing the mind to settle down more and more as it approaches the field of pure consciousness, and when the mind is as settled as it can be at that time, an impulse is introduced in the form of a sutra, or mantra - a sutra that is designed to produce a specific result - and given how settled the mind, and how immersed it is in the transcendent - the more immediate and successful the result.

No one can levitate. No. One.

(23-09-2015 05:58 PM)Obie Wrote:  Attempting to understand and to accept this based on observation is not really possible. It has to be experienced. It is the underlying dynamic that is all-important to understand -

Exactly. You're nuts ... are you locked up yet ? be sure the nurse knows where you are ... it's almost time for pills. Weeping

Insufferable know-it-all.Einstein God has a plan for us. Please stop screwing it up with your prayers.
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