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17-11-2012, 06:17 PM
RE: So.....who loves capitalism?
(17-11-2012 06:12 PM)I and I Wrote:  
(17-11-2012 05:24 PM)Tartarus Sauce Wrote:  Wait he actually suggests implementing Stalinistic communism? The most dictatorial, failed, oppressive, system of "communism" there is? Stalinistic communism ended up being little more than some fucked-up, ass backwards blend of capitalism, socialism, and totalitarianism on a backdrop of bureaucratic webs. Hell it never really even became communistic in the end anyway. It was some kind of horrible failed creation you would expect to come out of an evil scientists's lab.

You lambast capitalism for its woes around the world, such as oppression and the impoverishment of and malnutrition of the millions in the less developed sectors of the globe where the western powers exploit resources, yet under Stalin's and Mao's regimes, tens of millions died under the exact same conditions within their confines of power, through oppressive actions (executions, forced relocations, exiles, imprisonment) and famines. The so called "evils" of capitalism are really more manifestations of the evil's of human nature that occur over the drives of greed, power, and self-preservation of these desires and assets. And guess what, starvation, oppression, greed, self-preserving institutions and individuals, and authoritarian rules were RAMPANT under Stalinistic communism. Your so called evils of capitalism are really more evils of human nature, they transferred over full force under Stalin's regime.

Marx, in what fatally undermined almost every so called "communist" revolution that has ever occurred, never really addresses human nature. In reality, human nature is what kills any form of pure communism from occurring, and the drives for power and personal gains are OBVIOUS while studying the actions partaken by the likes of Stalin, Mao, etc. They operated out of self-interest only, and to hell with the well being of other humans. True communism requires perfect human beings in order to be achieved. As Marx said, history repeats itself once as tragedy, second as farce. Communistic revolutions have been little more than gigantic tragic farces over an over. The same shit fucks everything up in the end. They go WAY the fuck off the road-to-communism rails.

No shit capitalism has had its share fare of oppression, dictatorship backing, exploitation, and the like. It still pales in comparison to the damage done in the name of so called "communistic" regimes.
It is human nature to exploit people for personal gain? How did you determine that this was "human nature"?


Yes, it is "human nature" to exploit others for personal gain, it is a mechanism developed to restrict danger to one person and their charges by shifting that danger to others who's injury does not directly affect his/her survival chances.

We determine human nature just as we determine the nature of any creature: We observe, and lets face it. Us humans are total arseholes.

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So.....who loves capitalism? - I and I - 15-11-2012, 09:14 PM
RE: So.....who loves capitalism? - nach_in - 15-11-2012, 09:20 PM
RE: So.....who loves capitalism? - I and I - 15-11-2012, 10:26 PM
RE: So.....who loves capitalism? - I and I - 16-11-2012, 04:06 AM
RE: So.....who loves capitalism? - I and I - 16-11-2012, 03:21 PM
RE: So.....who loves capitalism? - I and I - 17-11-2012, 08:18 PM
RE: So.....who loves capitalism? - DLJ - 15-11-2012, 09:27 PM
RE: So.....who loves capitalism? - I and I - 16-11-2012, 12:19 AM
RE: So.....who loves capitalism? - I and I - 24-11-2012, 09:36 AM
RE: So.....who loves capitalism? - kingschosen - 24-11-2012, 02:04 PM
RE: So.....who loves capitalism? - I and I - 25-11-2012, 08:16 AM
RE: So.....who loves capitalism? - bemore - 16-11-2012, 08:48 AM
RE: So.....who loves capitalism? - DLJ - 16-11-2012, 11:28 AM
RE: So.....who loves capitalism? - Chas - 16-11-2012, 09:47 AM
RE: So.....who loves capitalism? - Erxomai - 16-11-2012, 10:12 AM
RE: So.....who loves capitalism? - Chas - 16-11-2012, 10:42 AM
RE: So.....who loves capitalism? - Chas - 16-11-2012, 10:51 AM
RE: So.....who loves capitalism? - Vosur - 16-11-2012, 10:13 AM
RE: So.....who loves capitalism? - Erxomai - 16-11-2012, 10:54 AM
RE: So.....who loves capitalism? - Erxomai - 16-11-2012, 11:30 AM
RE: So.....who loves capitalism? - I and I - 17-11-2012, 10:41 AM
RE: So.....who loves capitalism? - Chas - 17-11-2012, 01:39 PM
RE: So.....who loves capitalism? - BnW - 17-11-2012, 10:55 AM
RE: So.....who loves capitalism? - I and I - 17-11-2012, 11:30 AM
RE: So.....who loves capitalism? - BnW - 17-11-2012, 02:29 PM
RE: So.....who loves capitalism? - I and I - 17-11-2012, 05:23 PM
RE: So.....who loves capitalism? - Chas - 17-11-2012, 05:55 PM
RE: So.....who loves capitalism? - I and I - 17-11-2012, 06:12 PM
RE: So.....who loves capitalism? - Free Thought - 17-11-2012 06:17 PM
RE: So.....who loves capitalism? - I and I - 17-11-2012, 06:23 PM
So.....who loves capitalism? - Erxomai - 17-11-2012, 05:40 PM
RE: So.....who loves capitalism? - I and I - 17-11-2012, 06:17 PM
RE: So.....who loves capitalism? - I and I - 18-11-2012, 07:05 PM
RE: So.....who loves capitalism? - nach_in - 18-11-2012, 07:10 PM
RE: So.....who loves capitalism? - I and I - 18-11-2012, 07:51 PM
RE: So.....who loves capitalism? - nach_in - 18-11-2012, 07:56 PM
RE: So.....who loves capitalism? - I and I - 18-11-2012, 08:56 PM
RE: So.....who loves capitalism? - I and I - 18-11-2012, 07:57 PM
RE: So.....who loves capitalism? - I and I - 19-11-2012, 08:03 AM
RE: So.....who loves capitalism? - I and I - 19-11-2012, 08:58 AM
RE: So.....who loves capitalism? - I and I - 19-11-2012, 07:25 PM
RE: So.....who loves capitalism? - I and I - 18-11-2012, 08:49 PM
So.....who loves capitalism? - Erxomai - 18-11-2012, 11:42 PM
RE: So.....who loves capitalism? - I and I - 19-11-2012, 11:36 PM
RE: So.....who loves capitalism? - bemore - 19-11-2012, 11:51 PM
RE: So.....who loves capitalism? - I and I - 20-11-2012, 12:24 AM
So.....who loves capitalism? - Erxomai - 19-11-2012, 11:57 PM
So.....who loves capitalism? - Erxomai - 20-11-2012, 12:01 AM
So.....who loves capitalism? - Erxomai - 20-11-2012, 12:02 AM
So.....who loves capitalism? - Erxomai - 20-11-2012, 12:03 AM
RE: So.....who loves capitalism? - Erxomai - 20-11-2012, 12:27 AM
So.....who loves capitalism? - Erxomai - 20-11-2012, 03:35 PM
RE: So.....who loves capitalism? - I and I - 24-11-2012, 01:54 AM
RE: So.....who loves capitalism? - I and I - 24-11-2012, 02:15 AM
RE: So.....who loves capitalism? - Chas - 24-11-2012, 08:37 AM
RE: So.....who loves capitalism? - I and I - 25-11-2012, 03:04 PM
RE: So.....who loves capitalism? - I and I - 26-11-2012, 08:01 AM
RE: So.....who loves capitalism? - I and I - 28-11-2012, 12:09 AM
RE: So.....who loves capitalism? - I and I - 28-11-2012, 07:44 AM
RE: So.....who loves capitalism? - I and I - 28-11-2012, 09:14 AM
RE: So.....who loves capitalism? - I and I - 26-11-2012, 09:46 PM
RE: So.....who loves capitalism? - I and I - 26-11-2012, 09:29 PM
RE: So.....who loves capitalism? - nach_in - 26-11-2012, 10:51 PM
So.....who loves capitalism? - Erxomai - 27-11-2012, 10:59 PM
RE: So.....who loves capitalism? - I and I - 28-11-2012, 12:06 AM
RE: So.....who loves capitalism? - I and I - 28-11-2012, 12:22 AM
RE: So.....who loves capitalism? - nach_in - 28-11-2012, 12:36 AM
RE: So.....who loves capitalism? - I and I - 28-11-2012, 12:56 AM
RE: So.....who loves capitalism? - nach_in - 28-11-2012, 01:07 AM
RE: So.....who loves capitalism? - I and I - 28-11-2012, 01:45 AM
So.....who loves capitalism? - Erxomai - 28-11-2012, 12:23 AM
RE: So.....who loves capitalism? - nach_in - 28-11-2012, 02:03 AM
RE: So.....who loves capitalism? - I and I - 28-11-2012, 02:14 AM
RE: So.....who loves capitalism? - nach_in - 28-11-2012, 02:23 AM
RE: So.....who loves capitalism? - I and I - 28-11-2012, 02:21 AM
RE: So.....who loves capitalism? - I and I - 28-11-2012, 10:25 AM
RE: So.....who loves capitalism? - nach_in - 28-11-2012, 01:34 PM
RE: So.....who loves capitalism? - I and I - 01-12-2012, 09:06 AM
RE: So.....who loves capitalism? - I and I - 03-12-2012, 10:53 PM
RE: So.....who loves capitalism? - Diablo - 03-12-2012, 11:42 PM
RE: So.....who loves capitalism? - Chas - 04-12-2012, 03:32 AM
RE: So.....who loves capitalism? - Vijansu - 28-11-2012, 02:28 PM
RE: So.....who loves capitalism? - Vijansu - 28-11-2012, 04:02 PM
RE: So.....who loves capitalism? - Chas - 28-11-2012, 05:05 PM
RE: So.....who loves capitalism? - Vijansu - 28-11-2012, 05:15 PM
RE: So.....who loves capitalism? - Chas - 28-11-2012, 05:22 PM
RE: So.....who loves capitalism? - Vijansu - 28-11-2012, 05:52 PM
RE: So.....who loves capitalism? - Chas - 29-11-2012, 08:57 AM
RE: So.....who loves capitalism? - I and I - 29-11-2012, 11:06 AM
RE: So.....who loves capitalism? - nach_in - 29-11-2012, 11:41 AM
RE: So.....who loves capitalism? - I and I - 30-11-2012, 07:49 AM
RE: So.....who loves capitalism? - Chas - 30-11-2012, 08:16 AM
RE: So.....who loves capitalism? - I and I - 30-11-2012, 02:57 PM
RE: So.....who loves capitalism? - I and I - 30-11-2012, 03:45 PM
So.....who loves capitalism? - Erxomai - 01-12-2012, 11:30 AM
RE: So.....who loves capitalism? - I and I - 04-12-2012, 03:33 AM
RE: So.....who loves capitalism? - nach_in - 04-12-2012, 04:43 AM
RE: So.....who loves capitalism? - I and I - 04-12-2012, 08:37 AM
RE: So.....who loves capitalism? - I and I - 04-12-2012, 09:09 AM
RE: So.....who loves capitalism? - nach_in - 04-12-2012, 05:56 AM
RE: So.....who loves capitalism? - I and I - 04-12-2012, 06:49 AM
RE: So.....who loves capitalism? - I and I - 04-12-2012, 07:26 AM
RE: So.....who loves capitalism? - Chas - 04-12-2012, 08:07 AM
So.....who loves capitalism? - Erxomai - 04-12-2012, 08:27 AM
So.....who loves capitalism? - Erxomai - 04-12-2012, 08:45 AM
RE: So.....who loves capitalism? - I and I - 04-12-2012, 10:09 AM
RE: So.....who loves capitalism? - Chas - 04-12-2012, 10:45 AM
So.....who loves capitalism? - Erxomai - 04-12-2012, 09:13 AM
RE: So.....who loves capitalism? - I and I - 04-12-2012, 10:15 AM
RE: So.....who loves capitalism? - I and I - 04-12-2012, 05:56 PM
RE: So.....who loves capitalism? - nach_in - 04-12-2012, 05:47 PM
RE: So.....who loves capitalism? - nach_in - 04-12-2012, 06:03 PM
So.....who loves capitalism? - Erxomai - 04-12-2012, 07:07 PM
RE: So.....who loves capitalism? - nach_in - 04-12-2012, 08:57 PM
RE: So.....who loves capitalism? - nach_in - 04-12-2012, 10:07 PM
RE: So.....who loves capitalism? - nach_in - 05-12-2012, 05:51 AM
RE: So.....who loves capitalism? - I and I - 05-12-2012, 05:54 AM
RE: So.....who loves capitalism? - nach_in - 05-12-2012, 06:15 AM
RE: So.....who loves capitalism? - bemore - 04-12-2012, 08:02 PM
RE: So.....who loves capitalism? - bemore - 04-12-2012, 08:29 PM
RE: So.....who loves capitalism? - I and I - 05-12-2012, 02:13 AM
RE: So.....who loves capitalism? - Vosur - 05-12-2012, 02:23 AM
RE: So.....who loves capitalism? - I and I - 05-12-2012, 02:30 AM
RE: So.....who loves capitalism? - bemore - 05-12-2012, 02:40 AM
RE: So.....who loves capitalism? - I and I - 05-12-2012, 02:46 AM
RE: So.....who loves capitalism? - bemore - 05-12-2012, 03:05 AM
RE: So.....who loves capitalism? - I and I - 05-12-2012, 03:18 AM
RE: So.....who loves capitalism? - I and I - 05-12-2012, 06:05 AM
RE: So.....who loves capitalism? - Chas - 05-12-2012, 06:44 AM
RE: So.....who loves capitalism? - I and I - 05-12-2012, 09:09 AM
RE: So.....who loves capitalism? - I and I - 05-12-2012, 10:36 AM
RE: So.....who loves capitalism? - I and I - 05-12-2012, 02:02 PM
RE: So.....who loves capitalism? - Vosur - 05-12-2012, 02:32 PM
RE: So.....who loves capitalism? - I and I - 07-12-2012, 03:22 PM
RE: So.....who loves capitalism? - Vosur - 07-12-2012, 03:42 PM
RE: So.....who loves capitalism? - I and I - 07-12-2012, 04:09 PM
RE: So.....who loves capitalism? - Vosur - 07-12-2012, 04:26 PM
RE: So.....who loves capitalism? - I and I - 08-12-2012, 06:01 PM
RE: So.....who loves capitalism? - Vosur - 08-12-2012, 06:31 PM
RE: So.....who loves capitalism? - I and I - 08-12-2012, 09:23 PM
RE: So.....who loves capitalism? - Vosur - 08-12-2012, 09:31 PM
RE: So.....who loves capitalism? - I and I - 05-12-2012, 06:28 PM
RE: So.....who loves capitalism? - nach_in - 05-12-2012, 06:43 PM
RE: So.....who loves capitalism? - I and I - 05-12-2012, 08:10 PM
RE: So.....who loves capitalism? - I and I - 06-12-2012, 08:38 AM
RE: So.....who loves capitalism? - I and I - 06-12-2012, 09:35 AM
RE: So.....who loves capitalism? - I and I - 07-12-2012, 09:39 AM
RE: So.....who loves capitalism? - I and I - 07-12-2012, 03:06 PM
RE: So.....who loves capitalism? - I and I - 08-12-2012, 06:22 PM
RE: So.....who loves capitalism? - Chas - 08-12-2012, 10:08 PM
RE: So.....who loves capitalism? - I and I - 10-12-2012, 08:29 AM
RE: So.....who loves capitalism? - I and I - 12-12-2012, 04:24 PM
RE: So.....who loves capitalism? - I and I - 12-12-2012, 05:09 PM
RE: So.....who loves capitalism? - nach_in - 05-12-2012, 08:22 PM
RE: So.....who loves capitalism? - I and I - 05-12-2012, 08:26 PM
RE: So.....who loves capitalism? - Vosur - 06-12-2012, 12:44 AM
RE: So.....who loves capitalism? - I and I - 06-12-2012, 07:51 AM
RE: So.....who loves capitalism? - Vosur - 06-12-2012, 08:36 AM
So.....who loves capitalism? - Erxomai - 06-12-2012, 08:07 AM
So.....who loves capitalism? - Erxomai - 06-12-2012, 08:18 AM
RE: So.....who loves capitalism? - Vosur - 07-12-2012, 03:09 PM
RE: So.....who loves capitalism? - I and I - 07-12-2012, 03:12 PM
RE: So.....who loves capitalism? - Vosur - 07-12-2012, 03:13 PM
RE: So.....who loves capitalism? - Vosur - 08-12-2012, 06:55 AM
RE: So.....who loves capitalism? - I and I - 10-12-2012, 08:37 AM
RE: So.....who loves capitalism? - Magoo - 12-12-2012, 03:22 PM
RE: So.....who loves capitalism? - nach_in - 12-12-2012, 04:57 PM
RE: So.....who loves capitalism? - I and I - 12-12-2012, 05:13 PM
RE: So.....who loves capitalism? - nach_in - 12-12-2012, 05:16 PM
RE: So.....who loves capitalism? - I and I - 12-12-2012, 06:32 PM
RE: So.....who loves capitalism? - Chas - 12-12-2012, 06:35 PM
RE: So.....who loves capitalism? - I and I - 12-12-2012, 07:21 PM
RE: So.....who loves capitalism? - Chas - 12-12-2012, 07:42 PM
RE: So.....who loves capitalism? - nach_in - 12-12-2012, 08:20 PM
RE: So.....who loves capitalism? - I and I - 13-12-2012, 02:49 PM
RE: So.....who loves capitalism? - nach_in - 13-12-2012, 03:31 PM
RE: So.....who loves capitalism? - I and I - 13-12-2012, 03:54 PM
RE: So.....who loves capitalism? - nach_in - 13-12-2012, 04:05 PM
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RE: So.....who loves capitalism? - I and I - 13-12-2012, 02:50 PM
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