So.....who loves capitalism?

[nach_in]

(12-12-2012 05:13 PM)I and I Wrote:  

(12-12-2012 04:57 PM)nach_in Wrote:  I just lost the count on how many times I said this: THERE ARE NO COMMUNIST COUNTRIES IN SOUTH AMERICA

btw Logica, the president of Brasil is a woman

The issue of Brazil was when Logica tried to use Brazil as a successful capitalist nation in Latin America, so I then had to inform him of the current president of Brazil, her marxists beliefs and past marxist guerilla activity, the previous president and current president and cabinet all being marxists/socialsts/leftists of all kinds of marxist stripes.

That hardly fucking counts as a bastion of capitalism...

Logica probably had no clue who the brazilian president was until today.

She can have marxist ideals or history, but the way she runs the country is very capitalist, yeah with some socialist policies, but bottom line Brazil is a capitalist country.

[I and I]

(12-12-2012 05:16 PM)nach_in Wrote:  

(12-12-2012 05:13 PM)I and I Wrote:  The issue of Brazil was when Logica tried to use Brazil as a successful capitalist nation in Latin America, so I then had to inform him of the current president of Brazil, her marxists beliefs and past marxist guerilla activity, the previous president and current president and cabinet all being marxists/socialsts/leftists of all kinds of marxist stripes.

That hardly fucking counts as a bastion of capitalism...

Logica probably had no clue who the brazilian president was until today.

She can have marxist ideals or history, but the way she runs the country is very capitalist, yeah with some socialist policies, but bottom line Brazil is a capitalist country.

Why would you consider Brazil to be a capitalist country?

[Chas]

(12-12-2012 06:32 PM)I and I Wrote:  

(12-12-2012 05:16 PM)nach_in Wrote:  She can have marxist ideals or history, but the way she runs the country is very capitalist, yeah with some socialist policies, but bottom line Brazil is a capitalist country.

Why would you consider Brazil to be a capitalist country?

Well, Wikipedia thinks so.

[I and I]

(12-12-2012 06:35 PM)Chas Wrote:  

(12-12-2012 06:32 PM)I and I Wrote:  Why would you consider Brazil to be a capitalist country?

Well, Wikipedia thinks so.

That is exactly what I stated here many times, all success is put under the capitalist umbrella and all failures are put under the communist umbrella making it logically impossible to win an argument against that bullshit idea.

If Brazil with it's marxist leaders were a failing economy, guess what you guys would say.....it's failing because it is communist.

When talking of Chinas human rights abuses, then China is communist, when talking of their economic success then china is capitalist.

Heard it all before, be original guys come on.

[Chas]

(12-12-2012 07:21 PM)I and I Wrote:  

(12-12-2012 06:35 PM)Chas Wrote:  Well, Wikipedia thinks so.

That is exactly what I stated here many times, all success is put under the capitalist umbrella and all failures are put under the communist umbrella making it logically impossible to win an argument against that bullshit idea.

If Brazil with it's marxist leaders were a failing economy, guess what you guys would say.....it's failing because it is communist.

When talking of Chinas human rights abuses, then China is communist, when talking of their economic success then china is capitalist.

Heard it all before, be original guys come on.

Do you even look at the facts?
Foreign companies invest money in Brazilian companies.

That's called capitalism.

[nach_in]

One of the most fundamental tenets of communism is having the property of the means of production in the hands of the government (as far as I understand it), that doesn't happen in Brazil.

It's not a extreme capitalism, but is capitalism

[earmuffs]

Quote:Heard it all before, be original guys come on.

Hypocrite much.

Do you even understand how a communist market even works?? Because I serious wonder.
I would love to hear your definition of communist country. Because I think you are seriously mistaking socialism for communism.

There are two true communist countries today, one of which is perhaps a stretch to call it a true communist state but I'm not too sure so I'll give it the benefit of the doubt.
China is not one of them.

[Chas]

(12-12-2012 09:22 PM)earmuffs Wrote:  

Quote:Heard it all before, be original guys come on.

Hypocrite much.

Do you even understand how a communist market even works?? Because I serious wonder.
I would love to hear your definition of communist country. Because I think you are seriously mistaking socialism for communism.

There are two true communist countries today, one of which is perhaps a stretch to call it a true communist state but I'm not too sure so I'll give it the benefit of the doubt.
China is not one of them.

And Brazil is not the other one.

[earmuffs]

(13-12-2012 07:33 AM)Chas Wrote:  

(12-12-2012 09:22 PM)earmuffs Wrote:  Hypocrite much.

Do you even understand how a communist market even works?? Because I serious wonder.
I would love to hear your definition of communist country. Because I think you are seriously mistaking socialism for communism.

There are two true communist countries today, one of which is perhaps a stretch to call it a true communist state but I'm not too sure so I'll give it the benefit of the doubt.
China is not one of them.

And Brazil is not the other one.

It certainly is not.
Brazil is growing rapidly due to globalization and foreign markets.
I believe they one of few countries that can accommodate the next generation ultra-huge (actual name if I am not mistaken, something like that anyway) ore carrier ships. Including the Berge Stahl I believe, which is or was at one point the largest ship in the world (so big it takes a week to empty it's hull and they actually lower loaders into it's hull to get into the corners it's so fucking big). So that they can export their huge mineral wealth.
edit: Looked it up, yip Brazil has 1 of two ports in the world that can accommodate a ship that big. And there is an even bigger ship the Vale Brasil (in case you are wondering it's over 1,100 feet long and can carry 400,000 tons of mineral ore. This thing is seriously fucking big, even bigger then the new Chinamax ships.)which is actually owned by the Brazilians (the Stahl is owned by the Singaporeans).

And I'm rambling again aren't I? Sorry, I want to own a shipping company, sort of a passion, big ships.

[I and I]

(12-12-2012 08:20 PM)nach_in Wrote:  One of the most fundamental tenets of communism is having the property of the means of production in the hands of the government (as far as I understand it), that doesn't happen in Brazil.

It's not a extreme capitalism, but is capitalism

Actually the people own and profit off of the means of production and the function of the government is to make sure it stays that way in a fair and balanced manner.

The governments of Brazil and other latin american companies are making sure that the profits from that country benefit the people.